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  1. Mr. BigBad, It did happen as I have described. The parts I left out were the threats from some of the staff at the Central Florida rifle and pistol club, threats of violence and law suites for slander. We were sent a letter telling us we would be arrested if we set foot on their property! No BS, that’s the way it happened, all OKed buy Tom King of the IDPA, while Bill Wilson was ignoring all our calls and letters. I was a little reluctant to bring this up again, as it is now in the past and over, but we were stepped on for no damn good reason and I will not forget it! That my friends, is what I hate. George
  2. Thanks for the kind words guys. I have purchased my first race gun and will be joining the USPSA soon. To hell with the Fascists at the IDPA! George
  3. Dear Mr. Wilson: As you know Mr. (name withheld) and I have been denied an opportunity to participate in the 2000 Florida State IDPA Match being held in Orlando. Our crime was putting a circle and line through the Smith & Wesson logo at the top of the Central Florida Rifle and Pistol Club application. Our expressions of disapproval for S&W’s actions were exactly that, just an expression. We did not insinuate or express in any way a desire to cause trouble or an unsafe condition at the match. In fact the Smith & Wesson advertisement at the top of the application did not indicate that they were sponsors of the match. Our applications and match fees were returned with a rambling letter from president and match director of the Central Florida Rifle and Pistol Club, Buck Stout. He indicated that we would not be permitted to take part in the match because he did not understand why we would want to participate in a match sponsored by a company we did not like and he wanted to keep anti-gun propaganda [sic] out of the match. (No, I don’t understand the last part of this quote either) He also gave us a lesson on why we need buy American. The point that evaded Mr. Stout was that we really didn’t care who sponsored the match, our only objective was to shoot the match, have fun and be with friends. I contacted IDPA headquarters only to find that our applications were refused with the direct authorization of Tom King of the IDPA. The reason given for refusing our applications was because Buck Stout considered us troublemakers. Apparently, all that is required to be considered a troublemaker in the IDPA is to express thoughts that are contrary to the company line. If we were warned in advance that any expression of dislike for Smith & Wesson would lead to expulsion from the match, perhaps things would have turned out differently. Mr. Wilson, we have tried to contact you by phone and with numerous letters in an effort to enlist your help in correcting this disgraceful decision made by IDPA staff and Buck Stout. Unfortunately all of our requests to contact you have been met with silence, a shameful silence. In my last phone conversation with Tom King I pointed out that his and Mr. Stouts decision to ban us from participating was clearly against IDPA’s own rules. The rules for IDPA club affiliation are very clear: “To qualify as a Defensive Pistol Club, the following criteria must be met” 1 - Club matches and facilities must be open to all IDPA members. 2 - Clubs must follow IDPA rules and principles. (See rule one) Obviously the IDPA and the Central Florida Rifle and Pistol Club are in direct violation of IDPA rules. I brought this to the attention Mr. King and also gave him one last opportunity to correct this deplorable situation, unfortunately he refused to have anything further to do with this matter and passed it on to someone else for a decision. I have waited four months for that decision, I feel I have been more than patient. This dispute was never about protesting Smith & Wesson, it is about being banned from an IDPA match in violation of your own IDPA rules because we privately expressed an opinion. It is about Smith & Wesson style political correctness effortlessly circumventing IDPA rules. It is about the heavy-handed tactics used by the IDPA and CFRPC (both of whom receive S&W money) against IDPA members. If we had been contacted and simply asked for an assurance, even in writing, that we had no intent to disrupt or cause an unsafe condition at the match we would have gladly given it. But that did not happen. Why? To be sure this is an IDPA Management “Failure To Do The Right Thing,” for its own Members! Sadly, it appears that the First Amendment does not apply to IDPA members. It is with great regret that I am enclosing my unused IDPA membership for a refund. I cannot, with good conscience be a member of a club whose members are prejudged and punished because of their beliefs, not even because of their actions, but just because of their beliefs. Furthermore, I am canceling my order for the KZ45 which I placed with your company more than a year and a half ago. At onetime I would have been proud to own a Wilson pistol, but not today. Respectfully George Tice #A03463
  4. Thanks to all who replied. I ordered a GrandMaster from Chuck. He's easy to work with and knows his stuff!
  5. Im new to IPSC and need to start in open class so I can use optics (the age related eye thing) I have already built a 40 cal. STI limited style gun and don't want to go through that process again. I've been thinking about getting one of the ready made STI 38 supers. Are they good, bad, is there a better or cheaper way to go? Who discounts them? I thought about a used gun but that is a crap shoot unless you can see the gun in advance. Ideas?? Thanks - George
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