George Jones

If the timer being used is one with a RESET button and is being held close to your ear, you are probably hearing the reset push. Ask the RO to press the reset before bringing the timer up.

Before the advent of the non-scoring border.

Anyone want to volunteer to RO and count rounds to 25?

However, Production Division requires the gun to fit in "the box" with a mag inserted. Long mags would not be legal.

CWA built mine on a single-stack Caspian frame. Very light and it has performed flawlessly for two years now.

The use of stage props to remove the problem is always the best option. A Forbidden Action should be the last resort when no other solution is available. Regardless, any shooter who previously shot from the problem position (even if they didn't hit the roof in this case) would be required to reshoot the stage.

I'm familiar with employer/employee communications, but that doesn't really apply here, I believe. In this thread, we are dealing with service providers (the venue/range and the USPSA club) and a customer. The providers (both of whom likely have responsibilities to some higher authority) have a lot more latitude, I would think.

I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn last night so I can't answer the legal question. The paper trail of "bad behavior" is the record of multiple DQs for safety violations. That is one of the many reasons that DQ'able offenses should not be ignored at local matches, even for new shooters. In my non-lawyer opinion, the best protection any MD or RO has is to enforce the rulebook's safety rules without exception. Doing otherwise is an open door to future problems.

Not stated in the rules, but IMO any shooter who participates in USPSA matches who is banned from from a range/venue (for safety concerns) should be reported to the USPSA Section Coordinator and Area Director. They would then be able to inform other USPSA MDs in the area in case that individual just migrates his safety problems elsewhere. If he is banned by a USPSA club MD, the rules require a report to HQ.

An unintended early shot which does not fall under any of the AD DQ rules is not a DQ. Not uncommon for both the shooter and the RO to be caught off-guard and looking at each other. You did the right thing by not stopping the shooter. You should not stop a shooter or apply a DQ unless you're sure.

IIRC, it's been that way for at least 20 years. That part of WV is so distant from the rest of A5 that they petitioned and were granted allocation to A8.

You gave me way too much credit. I have less than 900 posts.

Reading again is a good thing. "If (as unlikely as it would be) you were to holster one of those after loading it and with a cocked hammer/striker, the external safety (If present) must be engaged. Failing to do so would result in a DQ under Rule 10.3.9"

Holstered RFPO/I is not common and would only be on arrival to the stage and departure after "Range is Clear!". If (as unlikely as it would be) you were to holster one of those after loading it and with a cocked hammer/striker, the external safety (If present) must be engaged. Failing to do so would result in a DQ under Rule 10.3.9 HTH

Striker fired guns (common in SCSA) don't have a hammer either, but that's not the point. I do appreciate your opinion, but I do think commonality of commands has value for ROs and competitors who participate in both disciplines. The commands are what they are. Changing the rules only happens via adoption by the BOD. All I can do, and I'm expected to do it, is to teach and explain the commands as they are today. When they change (and they have on occasion) I have to adapt, whether I like them or not. The OP asked a legitimate question which was (mostly) answered correctly. This forum is valuable in that regard.

The commands remain as stated in the rulebook, regardless of caliber. Rimfire is not required to pull the trigger (by rule - due to potential harm on the firing pin on some models). However, most shooters will manually release the hammer so as not to leave it cocked. The safety is not required to be applied (most guns with hammer down will not allow the safety to be applied anyway). but the command remains the same. The "holster" command is correct even if the shooter is using a bag/case for a rimfire. To clarify the previous post: Note that the subs to 8.3 are shooter actions, not range commands.

That is not what I said. A USPSA club is an entity which conducts its matches at a venue/range. Each has its own independent staff/management.

It's not the muzzle that makes the gun go BANG! It's the finger that needs training. Just my personal opinion and no slaughtering necessary.

To clarify.... A DQ cannot be applied by anyone serving as match staff (RO/CRO/RM/MD). A ban from that venue/range could be enforced by a member of the venue BOD (or BOD-authorized person) which would result in DNF for all remaining stages. Unfortunately, some venues feel it necessary to impose such a restriction. In most cases it is a result of rounds leaving a range located near habitated areas. The best way to avoid these restrictions is to enforce the USPSA safety rules, specifically the restriction on fingers in the trigger guard. Too many local club ROs do not position themselves properly or do not focus on the gun to see the violation or simply do not enforce it when they see it. Warnings do not apply when the violation has already occurred. HTH

A DQ must be supported by a rule and there is no such rule. If this is advertised as a USPSA match, the club is ignoring the rulebook and applying a "local rule" which is prohibited by: 3.3 Applicability of Rules USPSA matches are governed by the rules applicable to the discipline. Host organizations may not enforce local rules except to comply with legislation or legal precedent in the applicable jurisdiction. Any voluntarily adopted rules that are not in compliance with these rules must not be applied to USPSA matches without the express written consent of the President of USPSA. All local rules allowed under these provisions will be documented at USPSA HQ.

Well done!

Agreed that the option is available for anything except classifiers, but the target changes must still be identical to the first set. In either case, careful alignment is still necessary.

For the target presentation displayed on Page 119, only Rule 9.5.2.1 applies. The concept is that the scoring area (including the perforation line) of the "over" target is impenetrable by rule, therefore whatever is underneath that impenetrable area cannot be impacted by the bullet. This is explained in detail during the RO Seminar. HTH

The problem with these VC scoring threads is that the original information is commonly lacking detail. Without the exact scenario, it is impossible to reach a correct score. Prior to a VC stage, the RO must clearly understand the WSB and closely observe the shooter's run. If the RO doesn't count shots (or is unable to recreate the shot sequence/cadence), or other details of the run, it is probably not possible to determine what violations may have occurred. If the scorekeeper is not attentive to what's going on, the timer RO has no support. One of my sig lines applies here.