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Problem solved adding the brass dryer solved the problem in the 1k rounds post they air dryer, 100% success rate

Thank you all for the various feedback, it is GREATLY appreciated, I will build a few experiments, and so what I get. I enjoy the experiment side of it!

Repost ish, as last one was close by mod for use of "self defense", and the responses that created. Thinking about loading carry rounds. I find myself not practicing live fire with my carry gun, simply due to the cost per round is too high. I reload my own target and competition loads, so I am think about buying 1000 124 gr hollow points, and reloading my own self defense rounds, so I can afford to practice with my carry gun using the same ammo I carry in it. I am using Alliant sport pistol Looking to buy 9mm 124gr Hybrid Hollow Point bullets Once fired Nickel coated brass Federal primer Alliant "recipe" for 124 gn hollow points is as follows 4.4 grains @1.12 OAL 1071 FPS, (based on Alliant load data) http://www.alliantpowder.com/reloaders/powderlist.aspx?type=1&powderid=42&cartridge=23 or +p 4.7 Grains @1.12 OAL 1122 FPS, (Based on Alliant load data) http://www.alliantpowder.com/reloaders/powderlist.aspx?type=1&powderid=42&cartridge=189 To this point I have been shooting +P factory loads in my carry gun, (federal 124+p hollow point), but have shot less then 100 rounds of this through it. I have shoot, my hand load target / competition loads around 1000, My question really boils down to this, If I am loading my own, should I load it at the +p data, or just go with the standard pressure powder weight? and what should be my success criteria? FPS? feel? accuracy? Power factor? (if so what power factor am I after for self defense rounds?) For my target / competition hand loads, my success criteria is reach power factor, but not sure how that applies to carry ammo. I have a chrono, and planned to build and test 20 rounds per weight as follows, and at +P 4.7 Grains 4.6 Grains, 4.5 Grains standard pressure, 4.4 grains 4.3 grains 4.2 grains 4.1 grains 4.0 grains I know I can get function data, going every other weight, but I enjoy this part of it, and shooting 100 rounds of each pressure to collect the data sounds like a great time! My carry gun is a glock 26 Thank you in advance for you feedback! Daniel

Thinking about loading self defense rounds. I find myself not practicing live fire with my carry gun, simply due to the cost per round is too high. I reload my own target and competition loads, so I am think about buying 1000 124 gr hollow points, and reloading my own self defense rounds, so I can afford to practice with my carry gun using the same ammo I carry in it. I am using Alliant sport pistol Looking to buy 9mm 124gr Hybrid Hollow Point bullets Once fired Nickel coated brass Federal primer Alliant "recipe" for 124 gn hollow points is as follows 4.4 grains @1.12 OAL 1071 FPS, (based on Alliant load data) http://www.alliantpowder.com/reloaders/powderlist.aspx?type=1&powderid=42&cartridge=23 or +p 4.7 Grains @1.12 OAL 1122 FPS, (Based on Alliant load data) http://www.alliantpowder.com/reloaders/powderlist.aspx?type=1&powderid=42&cartridge=189 To this point I have been shooting +P factory loads in my carry gun, (federal 124+p hollow point), but have shot less then 100 rounds of this through it. I have shoot, my hand load target / competition loads around 1000, My question really boils down to this, If I am loading my own, should I load it at the +p data, or just go with the standard pressure powder weight? and what should be my success criteria? FPS? feel? accuracy? Power factor? (if so what power factor am I after for self defense rounds?) For my target / competition hand loads, my success criteria is reach power factor, but not sure how that applies to carry ammo. I have a chrono, and planned to build and test 20 rounds per weight as follows, and at +P 4.7 Grains 4.6 Grains, 4.5 Grains standard pressure, 4.4 grains 4.3 grains 4.2 grains 4.1 grains 4.0 grains I know I can get function data, going every other weight, but I enjoy this part of it, and shooting 100 rounds of each pressure to collect the data sounds like a great time! My carry gun is a glock 26 Thank you in advance for you feedback! Daniel

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Please don't let my story push you out. Yes it was 5% failure rate, but the experiments to find the root cause, and then solve the problem, was a great experience, and you can learn from my mistakes, and not have to learn them on your own. Reloading is actually therapeutic. I have a fairly stressful job, and I looked forward to reading all the advice here, creating an experiment, loading a batch, shooting it at the range, and draw up the next experiment.

range report, 100% of my 300 rounds fired today! I am going to conclude, it was residual moisture, and now that I have a dryer, I expect to continue >99% success rate. As for the 600 rounds I have that iu expect 5% failure, I will run these as practice ammo, and use them up in short order. Moving forward, (after I consume the remaining 8K CCi), I will be moving to Winchester primers, as the seat more repeatable in my 650... Thanks to all those who helped me down this path!

combination, again used 4 difeerant guns, 1 canik does have wollfe and glock spring combo kit for the canik, an aftermarket trigger, and a couple of other mods, 5% failure rate, (5 in 100) 1 canik is bone stock, 5% failure rate (5 in 100) 1 glock 26 bone stock 5% failure rate, (1 in 20) 1Glock 34 modified, springs barrel, trigger 4% failure rate. (4 in 100). I have purchased a dryer, and have generated the following experiments, Loaded 100 rounds CCi primers, (measured the depth at CCi spec of .005 - .008In), SNS 125 bullet, range brass tumble cleaned only, (no ultrasonic). loaded 100 rounds Winchester primers, (they naturally all seated better and deeper, .008 - .014), sns bullet, range brass tumble cleaned only, (no ultrasonic). loaded 100 rounds CCi primers, (measured the depth at CCi spec of .005 - .008In), SNS 125 bullet, range brass ultrasonic cleaan, laymen brass dryer dryed, tumble polished with corn cob media, I will post feedback once I shoot the 300 rounds, after all I read, (thanks you all for the feedback), and speaking to each component manufacture, the press manufacture, and anyone else who would listen, I believe my problem was moisture, and the CCi primers were not seated deep enough, (most were flush to .002 in deep, and the spec is .005 - .008). the three experiments I think will all be successful, as the two issues are both addressed. If they all succeed, I will be swithing to Winchester primers, as they install smoothly on my 650. The CCi, require an extreme amount of force to get to the depth CCi specs. Not sure why they install differently, but out of 100, all the Winchester seated without issue, where as the CCi, 20% were not to the spec on first try, and need to put them back into press to seat deeper. Thanks again for all the feed back!

same failure through 4 pistols, 2 caniks, a glock 26 and a glock 34, all had ~5% failure rate. What would make you think it was the pistol?

as per the other post here with regards to liquid processing, I think I might be facing both issues. I did air dry, then put in a bucket, and close the lid. I have since added a tumbler to "polish" the brass, and have ordered a dryer for my brass, post ultrasonic clean. I will not make it to the range for a few days, but, my next test will be as follows, ultra sonic clean, followed by corn cob tumble, (after it has fully dried), and then loaded at the CCI spec, og .005 - .008. I will shoot these rounds, and expect 100% success. Thanks again for all the feed back, it has pointed me into the direction of, (hopefully), success. I will update over the weekend after I get through the next 100 rounds...

thank you all for your responses. greatly appreciated. I cannot get to answering all the questions, but here is my update for tonight. CCI requested i set the depth at .005 -.008 inches, where most of mine were flush, i pulled apart mu primer seat station on the press, and found a couple of gun powder flakes. I cleaned this entire assemble, and now i am routinely seating primers in the spec as per cci.

one bone stock, one with aftermarket trigger, but failures are in both at about the same rate

I just started reloading , and in my first batch, I have a 5% failure rate. Background, I have two local long term re-loaders who helped guide me down the road to getting started. I purchased a used Dillon 650 press, (from the classifieds of this forum), Had my buddy help me run the first batch, (under his direct supervision), Components, range brass CCI small pistol primers Bullseye powder SNS polymer coated 125's Our first loads are as follows, 20 rounds at 3.8 gns of powder 20 rounds at 4.0 gns of powder 20 rounds at 4.2 gns of powder 20 rounds at 4.4 grs of powder We took these to the range, and chrono tested them, defined 1071 FPS average was 4.0 gns and that would be my load. A note to make, is out of these 80 rounds we had two failures, (with clean primer strike and no bang). Back at home, we loaded 1000 rounds as follows Range brass, (Ultra sonically cleaned, air dried for about >30 days). CCI small primers from batch H13A201 Alliant Bullseye powder @ 4.0 grns per load, from batch 236X051519 SNS polymer coated 125s Of these rounds, I have now shot about 450 rounds, and have had 21 failures. in two separate range trips. First trip out, I shot about 200 rounds and had 9 failures. upon returning home, and shareing this feed back with others more experienced, the thought was possibly the depth of the primer in the brass. I measured the primer seat depth from the back of the brass in 400 rounds, and did have variances from 0 mm, (flush with the brass), to .11 mm deep. Most, >60% were between 0 and .2mm deep. I created the following experiment, loaded 40 rounds into 2 mags at each of the following depths, 0, .1 .2 loaded 20 rounds in 2 mags, at .4-.8 loaded 20 rounds in 2 mags at >.8mm I shot each measurement through a different gun, (Both guns were canik tp9sfx), and the failures continued at about 5%, and they were random, could not tie them to depth measurement. Last experiment prepared, was shooting all the same brass, 20 rounds in Win, 20 rounds in Brasser, 20 rounds in Remington, this did not modulate the failure %, it remained at about 5%, (3 failures in 60 rounds), With the randomness, I tried to run this same ammo through a glock 26, and had 1 failure in 20 rounds. I also tried to re-shoot a few of the failures through 2 different firearms, (both Glocks), and no bang. Lastly, we took apart a couple of the failures, and both had powder, one primer was destroyed removing it from brass, the second we were able to get out in tact, and hammer test it. It did not bang until the third hit with a hammer. The failure mode all 21 rounds is the, clean primer strike, no bang. the 430ish that fired, had visually the same striker mark on the primer, as the 21 that failed. Hope I have captured all the details, and thank you for reading this far. Any suggestions are GREATLY appreciated.

Just purchased a used 650 with all the bells and whistles its my first press, and I only know what is it n the Lyman reloading handbook 49th edition. i only intend to load 9mm 124/125 gn I have started picking the brains of those I know who reload, but figured I would post here as well. any direction you can point me in for new first time loader is Greatly appreciated. also looking for best place to buy powder, primers, and projectiles thank you in advance