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    My experience with various 2011s

    in 1911-style Pistols

    Posted · Edited by Firebull

    33 minutes ago, Twinkie said:

    @Firebullthanks for sharing your experiences. My own limited experiences with 9mm 1911-type guns is that they would prefer longer ammo than factory, and can be sensitive to both magazine and extractor fitment/geometry.

     

    The bad news is that almost everything has to be fit, tuned, and tested to make things work. The good news is everything on a 1911/2011 is understood and fixable. It sounds like you gave up way too early on your guns or had unrealistic expectations. Your STI Marauder needing a new barrel seems unlikely, as shooting out a pistol barrel for acceptable accuracy in USPSA is almost impossible. Also, they sent you some barrel and you dropped it in? That also seems strange as there are all kinds of variables and fitting to do to replace a 1911 barrel. 

     

    Your experiences with Atlas sound like you just couldn't bear not using those Gen 2 STI mags. Did you ever try a different brand of ammo? The Staccato story sounds like you are just ridiculously picky about minor appearance issues, but maybe the rubbing was egregious?

     

    Once again thanks for the interesting post.


    Sent the Marauder to STI and they determined the barrel was shot out and fit a new one.  Funny how everyone has chosen to ignore my high praises for the DVC 3 Gun -- a reasonably priced pistol that ran reliably with any ammo and magazine.  I had come to 2011 from the CZ platform so expected similar reliability and accuracy.

     

    Yes, I did try different ammo (all factory though) and magazines (MBX with brand new Gram’s springs and followers) but the issues persisted with the Atlas.  
     

    Anyways, just sharing my experience.

    My experience with various 2011s

    in 1911-style Pistols

    Posted · Edited by Firebull

    Just sold off my last 2011 (STI DVC 3 Gun) because I got an offer I couldn’t refuse.  As I switch over to the CZ Shadow 2 platform, just thought I would share my experience with the various 2011s I had owned.

     

    STI Marauder: bought it used and the barrel had been shot out (3 in. groups at 10 yards).  No FTF/FTE issues though.  Contacted STI and they replaced the barrel for free with free shipping both ways.  While the grouping vastly improved, the new barrel was not fitted correctly as the gun shot left by 1.5 in. at 10 yards even with the rear sight shifted all the way to the right.  Contacted STI again by phone and email but couldn’t get anyone to respond — sold the gun a week later. 

     

    STI DVC 3 Gun: owned both bushing and bull barrel models.  Nicely built and ran with all of my STI mags (126mm, 140mm, 170mm) and with any factory ammo (115, 124, 147).  Shot extremely flat with the 147 gr ammo (almost as if shooting with a compensator).  Very reliable (never experienced any FTF/FTE) and very accurate as I effortlessly hit steel targets 75 yards out in 3 Gun matches.  After more than 10000 rounds, the pistols still looked brand new.  My positive experience with the DVC 3 Gun led me to explore higher end custom 2011s.

     

    Atlas Titan in 9 mm:  very nicely built but at 3+ lbs with PT Evo grip and steel magwell, a bit too heavy for 9 minor in my opinion.  Frequent FTF/FTE with half of my 2nd gen STI 140mm mags and all of my 170mm mags.  Contacted Atlas and was always able to get someone on the phone.  After 2 weeks of being told “there is something wrong with your ammo / magazines”, I sold the gun.  I only use CCI Blazer factory ammo, by the way.

     

    Akai Limited with PT grip: another beautifully built custom 2011 that attracted attention at the range.  Experienced a catastrophic failure within the first 1000 rounds.  After Akai fixed it and sent it back (blamed the failure on my factory ammo), the gun grouped poorly.  After failing to get Akai to respond to my inquiries, I had my local gunsmith fix the issue (poor fitting between barrel link and slide stop).  Sold the gun a week later.

     

    Staccato XL:  similar to the DVC 3 Gun in specs but inferior in build quality.  Experienced frequent FTF with 147 gr ammo.  Contacted Staccato and they promptly sent me new proprietary magazine springs (not available on their site yet) and followers which eliminated the FTF issue.  Couldn’t get past the fact the slide was rubbing the barrel on the left side (leaving a very visible mark after only 250 rounds) so I sold the gun.  The gun was accurate and soft shooting — the polymer grip was quite effective at reducing felt recoil.

     

    Atlas Hyperion with aluminum Alpha grip:  another very nicely built gun with great balance.  Stronger felt recoil than the Staccato XL and STI DVC (aluminum vs polymer grips).  Experienced continuous FTFs with the Atlas MBX mag shipped with the gun  (disappointing considering the gun was marketed as perfect return to zero with factory ammo).  I could not use my 140mm 2nd gen STI mags because the magwell hit the basepad so the magazine could not be seated.  I sold the gun.

    Accushadow Parts?

    in CZ

    Posted

    1 hour ago, gerritm said:

    We have a CZ-75 SP01 and just got an Accushadow. When looking for parts in Cajun or CZ Custom, doesn't really list it separate. So what model parts fit. Looking for a bigger safety and possibly a straight DA/SA trigger.

     

    Thanks, Gerrit


    pick SP-01 Shadow as the model for parts.  Accushadow is an SP-01 Shadow with CZcustom bushing and some trigger work.

    $5k+ for 9mm 2011, who is buying them?

    in 1911-style Pistols

    Posted

    Custom 2011 makers have been marketing 9mm pistols that cost $5k+ in the last couple of years and much to my surprise, there are buyers for them.  These are competition pistols (despite the makers’ claims they could be used for carry) and the only game where they would shine is the Tactical division in 3 Gun.  In my 4 years of 3 Gun shooting, however, I have yet to encounter a set up where one would gain significant advantage from a high end 2011 pistol.

     

    Just curious who are buying these ultra expensive gamer pistols.  Thanks.

    Beretta 1301 Comp Pro - Thoughts?

    in Shotgun - Technical

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    3 hours ago, Avenida said:

    been following this thread because I now want a 1301. 

    I am only 5'6 and 160lbs so not sure I want a 24", here in Canada, IPSC shotgun is not popular at all nor are 3gun competitions, so not sure if will get used for that. I want a Beretta that is a good all rounder, a jack of all trades and due to my height and weight I am leaning towards the 21. I owned a Urika2 that was 28 and that felt like a fishing pole to me, owned others in between and never tried something shorter. The urika felt too long.

    Sorry for derailing the thread but just wanted to ask for opinions on 21 vs 24. BTW I am not recoil sensitive nor a puss puss, I am relatively well built and strong. just saying, lol


    I am about the same build as you (5’7, 170lb) and would definitely go with the 24 for versatility unless you plan to use the gun only for home defense.  With the 24, you can add a 2 in. extended choke and turn it into a very capable clay gun.

    Next 2011

    in 1911-style Pistols

    Posted

    I was in the same boat as you and went ahead and got a Titan in 9 mm.  Great gun from quality perpective but required magazine tuning to work reliably (something I never had to do with my DVC 3Gun).  Sold the Titan and kept the DVC.  I got an Akai in .40 for USPSA -- better build than Titan but more expensive.

    scope help

    in Rifle - Technical

    Posted · Edited by Firebull

    Used Swarovski BRT gets my vote.  I regularly hit out to 550 yards with it in the North Texas Multigun Match.  The glass clarity and the wide field of view at 1x is unparallelled. 

    RIA VR80 coming in 2019

    in Shotgun - Technical

    Posted

    2 hours ago, WWG1WGA said:

    19 round mags again...

    cant get past the coupler. I’ve tried loading it up and loosening the coupler as others have mentioned with no success. I’ve noticed that the tabs  between the two halves that stick through the coupler are never even. One side is high and one side is low. Is this the same for everyone?  It’s like one half of the mag is twisted. Can someone  with a working 19 look at the locking tabs for me to see if yours are even? Don’t know if I should try to bend them or try to get AT to replace them...

     

    Had the very same issue and solved it by rotating the spring 180 degrees along the greatest width. 100% reliable now.

     

    You can try exchanging the magazine if you bought it from a good dealer.  Got mine from Advanced Tactical and they never bothered returning my emails when I had issues.

    2011 Guns

    in 1911-style Pistols

    Posted

    5 minutes ago, RAVAGE88 said:

     

    I had a DVC 3G.  What you're not getting for $2500 is a pistol that won't shoot loose within about 3000 rounds.  You also don't get a pistol that's been given a level of attention befitting the price tag.  Ultimately, this lowers confidence....I have well over 6000 rounds through my TITAN and it feels as tight and precise as the day I bought it.

     

    MB

    Over 5000 rounds on my 3G and it's still tight.  Yes, the Titan is a better built gun but it's not worth extra $1.5k for me.

    2011 Guns

    in 1911-style Pistols

    Posted

    Had both the Atlas Titan and the poor man's version of the STI Combat Master, the DVC 3 gun.  Sold the Titan and kept the STI because the $4k gun didn't do anything the $2.5k one couldn't do.  Steel grip is a personal preference and quite frankly it felt more like an albatross on a 9 mm gun.  I would not drop $4k on a Limited gun again.

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