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thanks so much !!

this is the way…. Couldn’t agree more and this is coming from someone who loves the pistol shooting sports, but is deterred due to the nonsense rules/divisions that is USPSA.

which tungsten guide rod did you go with? I have the longer ones that fit my 5 inch slide but sticks out on the competitor, is there another one ?

Go to the Wolff gun springs website. They make a guide rod that will work for it and springs you can order different weights for it

the one on the website specifically for the compact models. It’s on the Armory craft site.

yes. If you order the stainless guide rod from Wolff gun springs it works in the competitor. I run the 13 lbs springs with 130 PF loads and it shoots really really nice. I also run the overwatch precision flat trigger and it is almost the best striker fired trigger I’ve ever used. The only ones I’ve felt better, and just by a little, are the Canik and Walther triggers. I bought a brass magwell from Floyd’s customs and man did it settle the gun down ever more. I plan on running this setup in limited optics in the future. accuracy is on a whole different level than any of the previous M&Ps. My competitor is more accurate than both of my 2.0s fitted with apex barrels.

Just an FYI for you guys, Armory craft makes a guide rod and spring kit that works really well with them. I have a pair of spectre comps I run in an outlaw league. I shoot both, one with irons one with a dot and they are superbly accurate and flat shooting. I run mine with 130 PF loads and the 11lb armory craft and guide rod. It’s really like cheating with them.

I’ve got one and had no issues. cleaned it and lubed it, even run an 11 lb recoil spring in mine and it’s great. The lock up between the barrel and slide is certainly tighter tha. Most legion X5s. It’s almost on par with my original X5s. , accuracy is as well. I thought it was a decent deal considering the dot itself sells for 600 bucks, and it’s by far the best red dot I’ve ever used, and I’ve ran them all just about.

i *think* so, they make flush length 18rd mags, so I’m pretty sure with a +5 base and maybe a follower swap it could be done, but I have not done it myself.

and you are exactly one of the people that are bad for the sport. Poor attitude, poor mindset about growing the sport. gotta do things the hard way just for the sake of it kinda guy. yeah people can easily pop off a magwell, it just doesn’t make any sense whatsoever. like the other poster mentioned about his group of friends coming out trying to shoot their “actual” carry guns…. Oh no.. wait, you can’t play with those here. this is why people are actively trying to start new leagues and there are plenty other outlaw matches and other types of shooting events for me to get too deep into USPSA. snd I’m not the only one, I personally know of dozens and dozens of shooters who feel the exact same way. eventually you will have fun playing in the sandbox all by yourself. Have fun buddy.

I would shoot that new US made P226 X5! I wouldn’t mind picking one of those up, but hard to justify the price when I can’t really play with it in any USPSA division.

I share that viewpoint also. Competing in other divisions and outlaw style matches, this seems to be proven over and over again. I think the power factor and the 9 major/ 40 caliber rule sets have more to do with it all than the guns themselves.

hey thanks for reading! I can see others point of view as well though that have been doing this a long time, and do have money invested in guns and equipment. personally though, I see this as one of, if not the biggest barrier to many people getting into the sport. guys just wanna take out their new Sig/Canik/2011/ whatever cool high cap 9mm minor pistol they just got, learn some skills, make friends and be competitive without having to load 9 major, or shoot 40 cal. And they can to a degree, but it’s like, “hey we know you just got this cool pistol with all these doo-dads in the box, but you can’t use them all here”, well, “you can but here’s the catch, your at a big scoring disadvantage”.

I’ve been following this thread a long time, I regularly read here, I value a lot of you guys opinions, but rarely post. here is an outsiders perspective on this, and USPSA in general. I personally know many other people share this opinion, but it’s just that, an opinion. i shoot frequently in a local club, PPC style matches. We have our own league that runs year round, with two divisions, open and limited. Irons or a dot. SAO, striker, DA/SA it doesn’t matter. No power factor although just about everyone runs loads well above minor PF. I shoot USPSA matches occasionally, and really enjoy them and the people there. I believe it develops many skills that transfer well into defensive skills, movement, etc. it’s a great sport! That being said, the equipment rules are frustrating. personally, I like striker fired polymer guns. Practical pistols I would carry or use on duty. I would have no problem allowing 2011’s in CO, they are becoming more and more common, people like them and I think their advantage is “perceived”. If you like that style gun and shoot it better, then go for it! my other biggest complaint, is CO is really the only high cap division I can shoot without a scoring disadvantage. I would love to be able to take my box stock striker guns that come with standard capacity 17-21 round mags (and a magwell!!!) load them up, and shoot an iron sight division without being at a scoring disadvantage, OR being forced to shoot 40 caliber. Yes I know there is production, and I shoot it sometimes also, but at least let us load up 15 rounds! finally, I think USPSA is failing to acknowledge the change in the weapons technology happening these days. Like I mention the magwell. So many pistols come from the factory now with these, but we can’t use them in production or CO? Just doesn’t make a whole lot of sense. Seems like for the longest time, competitive shooters have led the way in pushing the envelope on these technologies, now it’s the other way around. and I hear you….. well just shoot open! Many people don’t want to shoot 9 major for various reasons, the number one for me, is it’s a borderline unsafe load/cartridge. Does that mean people don’t do it safely, or know what they are doing? No I’m not saying that. You have to see things from the average guys perspective looking to compete. Most people don’t even know what the hell 9 major is. anyway, long post and if you read this, thanks. I hope I’m not stepping on anyones toes, being disrespectful etc. just some thoughts from someone who would love to dive deep into this gear sport, but kinda confused and frustrated with some equipment rules. I hope this brings about to decent discussion and not flames.

Get yourself a 5 inch M&P 2.0. even the slide profile is very very similar to a 1911, just a little wider, but grip angle, presentation and all are very, very much on par with a 1911. put a Timney trigger in it, and it will be under 3lbs with no spring changes. You drop in the trigger and a new sear and that’s it. It reliably lites off any primer I’ve run through it. the ONLY issue you might have out of one is accuracy. Out of the box, it’s not quite to the level of a good shadow 2 or 1911, however that’s easily fixed with fitting an APEX barrel to it. I’ve installed it on two of mine and they will shoot under 2 inches as 25 with good hand loads. Also, just today they released an aluminum frame version of the M&P although it only comes in a full size 4.25 inch barrel at the moment. Previous 2.0 slides do interchange with it however. I think this will be a VERY strong option in the near future.