Smithcity

So....CO is a gateway drug that leads to Open...

I wonder what the $700 gun costs after all the mods.

Ahh, sorry to hear about the restriction. Regardless, great run!

Im shooting pcc and CO now, having a blast. I could see the addition of major scoring in CO at the cost of capacity an interesting dimension. I agree that CO will cannibalize other divisions, not sure about pcc. Pcc is attracting new shooters and gives a new option to those with reduced eye sight and difficulty with gripping a pistol.

Wow, that has to be the most legit indoor match ive seen. Why are you running 10rd mags? You run the x5 real well, especially those long shots assuming you got your hits.

My comment was with regards to the GG trigger upgrade. Not sure what max runs. I bet if he had the oem trigger or the GG trigger and practiced with it he would still smoke 99%+ of the competition. For the vast majority of us, the x5s trigger, esp if its upgraded to the GG trigger, wont hold you back.

I agree, like anything else, you need to get used to it. Seems there are several capable gms running the x5 just fine. I doubt the gun will be what holds anyone back assuming yours runs reliably

With regards to this age discussion. Maybe you all havent considered that we live in different times now. We should all identify as 25yrs old, then we will be the same age and of equal physical ability.

Ahh ok. The mk7 just has you place a strong magnetic on the inside of the plastic bin, holds it well against the steel plate your solution looks better

Did you attach it with magnets? Way better price!

Ahh that probably explains it. I dont know of any gun on the production list that has a trigger pull like that of a nice 2011/1911. I.e. I dont think you will find a CO / Production gun that compares to the trigger you are used to for the past 15yrs. Probably going to be an adjustment period. Had a practice session yesterday and ran my buddies atlas titan a bit. The x5's trigger doesnt measure up. As far as striker fired goes, not sure how much better it gets than the ggi kit on the 320.

How fast are you trying to shoot? I can pull splits in the teens with the gray guns P320 Competition Trigger System.

Nope, that cant be true. Im regularly told how much easier pcc is than pistol. Nevermind the minor scoring, harder to manipulate, more combersome to move through tight spots and walls, etc... Joking aside. Sometimes finding spots is harder, at minimum its not the same as finding spots with pistol.

Anyone want to turn this into a uspsa jersey for all of us that sponsor ourselves? Sorry...to easy. In all seriousness, It has to come down to ROI, need to be willing to work otherwise why would anyone bother sponsoring?

2fold. Just like pistol, moving to your weak side your muzzle tends to point more in that direction, hence all the guys that get dqd for breaking the 180 while reloading on a weak side run. And yes, position your body and gun towards what you are about to engage.

Seems the dropbox might work. Retreat 1: https://www.dropbox.com/s/v7ilz345fc4r026/Stage 3 V Shot.mp4?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/osjmotqqwf9ipbg/Stage 3 V Shot FPV.mp4?dl=0 Retreat 2: https://www.dropbox.com/s/2svrdfwi8k172gc/Stage 4 - High Point.mp4?dl=0 https://www.dropbox.com/s/gaxhh0pdeune2ez/Stage 4 - High Point - FPV.mp4?dl=0 Moving laterally dropping to strong hand (SBR): https://www.dropbox.com/s/qdpin08zww8c7gk/VID_20170708_113517056.mp4?dl=0

Adding to the conversation: Depending on how your club sets up walls, you will likely need to move the gun to a weak shoulder and maybe weak hand to engage targets with a wall on your weak side. Most situations of this sort that Ive encountered were scenarios where a pistol shooter could shoot it normally with 2 hands on a gun with a hard lean, pcc is forced to go weak shoulder. Ive watched lots of pcc shooters take said walls with the gun on the strong side, waste a bunch of time struggling to get a sight picture while contorting their bodies, or eventually realizing they need to go weak shoulder, by that time theyve waisted 5s+. I.e. A different mode of stage breakdown is required for pcc vs pistol As others mentioned, hope you have a good grip, plenty of times where I drop the gun to my strong hand and sprint. Lastly, on retreats, you can execute a much quicker retreat after engaging an array if you grab the top of the rail with your weak hand such that the barrel stays pointed down range while your body faces up range. Allows you to safely execute a fast and hard retreat. I dont recommend you try this in a match untill youve practiced it in dry fire dozens of times and are comfortable with the gun handling and movement. I have videos I could share demonstrating, not sure if the enos accepts them, Im not a youtuber. Everything is situational, and what works well for one person may not for another. Whats most important, no matter how you do your movement, the gun needs to have 2 hands on it, shouldered as you get into your shooting position, if you are doing this once you are in a shooting position its to late. You should already have the gun up and gaining the required sight picture for the difficulty of targets you are about to engage while your feet finish getting into position.

Arent match points a function of time? I.e. you can shoot all alphas really slow and only earn 50% of the match points. The op is right in the observation that he is executing the stages substantially slower than the guys winning it.

Yes, nationally.

Good stuff. Thanks for the answers as well as everyone else that entertained this rabbit hole. I can think of a few corner cases but I think this question has been answered.

How do we delineate if a noshoot partially covering a scoring target double counts (no shoot and score)? I thought it was when the overlay straddled both targets, and we delineate based on the perf on the no shoot, and not the non scoring boarder. Wouldnt the same apply for hard cover? Or are we saying the non scoring edge of a uspsa target when painted black counts as hard cover and perfs dont mean anything anymore.

Completely agree. I just think personally it is a better practice. I.e. if there is hardcover over a diagonal on a target, I personally think it is better practice to staple a black painted target over the scoring target and score based on the perf of the hard cover target. I also think this method of setup might make setting up those classifiers more consistent from club to club. Back to my original question, you are correct that those classifiers don't coincide with a perf and score off the taped line delineateing hard cover. I was to focused on the perf / overlay combination for scoring. And with the older targets, delineating a head shot was easier with the perfd B zone. Im now convinced of the overlay / tape barrier a proper way to score.

Thanks for all the good discussion, 4.2.4.3 and 4.2.2 seem to naturally answer the question. I was in the regular mindset of "overlay touches or doesn't touch a perf and that dictates the scoring zone". I still like the idea of keeping it to perfs when possible. I.e. align the perf on a no-shoot over the perf on a scoring target, paint a target black for hard cover and then align perfs over a scoring target. Also makes it easier to replace an overly shot target and keep relatively accurate alignment of the repaired scoring zones with straight lines from perfs rather than tape which often isn't applied exactly straight.

Ill just leave this here for the masses I must admit, "open lite" is a lot of fun.

I suppose I should have said USPSA vs IPSC tsrget.