Sdlrodeo

Hello Sir. Or should I say Mr. 274?

Truth

Could it be a one-off? Maybe because it was the no-shoot side perhaps the perf cutters hit at an angle for that batch or that particular target? i have not heard of any official changes.

That’s close, but I’m assuming from the OP, that the shooter was drawing to the target that is closer than 10 feet.

Then I’d invite you to read my thread from a while back. I put a link to it earlier in this post. I know you don’t know me from Adam but Yep, I took an RO class last summer and just re-read 10.4 just in case, I still think the OP’s scenario is not clarified. We have a few folks (I’m assuming they have taken an RO class but maybe not) commenting it would be a DQ’able AD to hit the dirt in front of a shooters foot even if the target is three feet away and we have others who say the rules do not say it is because of the second part of 10.4.2 Rule 10.4.2 states, "A shot which strikes the ground within 10 feet of the competitor, except when shooting at a cardboard target closer than 10 feet to the competitor." so so my question is still, where to draw the line? lets push the target out to 5 feet in our mock scenario. What if the bullet hits the ground at 2.5 feet?

I agree 100%. I used that as an example to try to illustrate my point.

I agree. What if a prop is hit between the targets and but the bullet passes through and hits the back berm? I would argue that if there are 2 targets 10 feet away from each other and someone puts a round downrange right in the middle it would be an AD in the sense that the shooter did not want the gun to go off at that time. But, per the rules, it is not an infraction or DQ’able offense but it would still be an AD by most accounts. Is that unsafe gun handling because the gun went off when the shooter did not intend it to? Is that “moving” because the shooter is changing arrays even though his feet didn’t move? My point is where to draw the line? If the rules state less than ten feet is ok if target is less than ten feet. If target is 3 feet and low on the ground, is 2 feet ok? 1 foot? What if the target is only 2 feet away?

I’m going to play devils advocate. Where do you draw the line? if there are two targets 10 feet apart and a shooter misses in between or on the outside of said targets did he AD? He didn’t want the gun to go off before or after the target but it did. What if he missed the target by 6”? 12”? 2 feet? or, let’s go with the example of a low target 3 feet away from the shooter with or without some sort of barrier/low wall/handrail in between? What if he hit the barrier that was only a foot away from the shooter but in line with the target? ill admit this thread hits home a little bit. See mine below. where do you draw the line?

Great summary! Pretty much exactly what I do when I’m on my game. Last night however...

True words. Except for the M&P. Nah, I’m just kidding. Whatever works!

Never really thought about it but that is true more often than not.

I tried an S2 but at the time it just seemed too heavy so I decided to run an SP-01 in both PROD and CO. However, now that I’ve been running my Atlas Titan in LTD I’m thinking the weight of the S2 would be an easier transition.

Thats good to know. Also good to know the company participated in these forums to provide info straight from the horses mouth! Thanks for that!

Agreed. It just looks like it needs to be shot straight on. So I guess if it’s out in the open that counts for more than one spot. How much of an angle can they be shot at?

Really any and all. I don’t think it would be noticeable for the most part. Just sort of curious about it. If one barrel/slide set up gets A LOT more use would it have an effect on the other components?

I run an Atlas Titan. Boringly reliable. I shot a Honcho set up for Open. Felt really soft and easy to transition due to the same PT evo grip. I’d like to shoot a honcho set up for LTD so I could compare apples to apples. Never shot a LimCat at all but I know several competitors that run them in both Open and LTD and I’ve never seen them have a problem. In theory, it Seems like the Honcho would be an awesome “one and done” gun. However, I wonder how much “balance” is needed between barrels. In other words, how would it work If I shot 20K rounds in open 38SC configuration, then only 1K in LTD, then bounced back to Open 9Maj and fired a few K rounds. How does the metal mate/wear? To me there is merit in having division specific guns and possibly backup guns in those specific divisions. Interesting conversation none the less.

I too like the idea of electronic “eye” sensors and motors, but in practice they rarely hold up to the abuses of USPSA shooters. Simplistic cables have enough problems themselves. I’m a fan of clamshell targets and knockdowns for their simplicity.

That is a pretty cool plate rack. It looks like it would be great for an outlaw match. Not quite sure how it would work with rule(s) 1.2.1 though.

Sweet! Thanks!

Never heard that. All I seem to find are 8 or 11.5. Is that a European shop? Do I have to order from over seas?

Yep. Had opportunities to squad with super squads a few times. Great experience because they were great humans. However, I too Made the mistake of trying to keep up with much higher level shooters. I will echo that the stage planning can also be problematic as well if it is so complex that you forget the plan mid run. Still I like to see what can be done and how far off the pro pace I am. Or sometimes it’s depressing. Ha.

I’m going to start doing some light calisthenics before matches from now on. I didn’t do that on an intense practice session and I paid for it with my hip flexors for about three-four months. Didnt help i was about 20 lbs heavier but that’s a different story.

Great advice. I usually plan on being at a major the day before or that morning if I’m shooting in the afternoon. This way I have a lot more time to try different things. I realize this is not possible for everyone. So if I get there on the morning of the match where I’m shooting an AM squad, I definitely give myself AT LEAST an extra hour. Oh, and definitely bring a good flashlight for those winter/fall o’dark thirty matches. Still, I’ll usuall make sure I read and reread the WSB, and the first thing I do is count targets/rounds. Make sure what I see matches the sheet. Hugely important. Ask me how I know. then ill develop a plan plan based on my division/reloads. I try to keep it simple. If a certain plan will save me .5 seconds but I MAY not remember it as well, I’ll go with a simpler plan. But I’m not a GM so... also, I try to look at a “start anywhere” Stage from both directions. Usually moving from left to right or uprange to downrange is easier on reloads but sometimes the opposite plan can give you better odds of success.

Thanks for the vote of confidence!

That’s awesome info. Thank you!