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I simply pointed out the quiet part out loud, I have no real stake. If anything I'm still salty about CK/Freedom going under but that's another story altogether. I get that upsetti spaghetti users.

I am neither. It is kind've s#!tty to assume or imply I am either of those things really. I can also tell you for certain I am not another brand taking the time to repeatedly come in and criticize another brand. That's the kind of behavior I expect from people trying to undercut business in the same type of market. But okay sure I am the big bad guy for calling that out. I do, however, get tired of hearing the typical competitive gun drama and bandwagoning that happens with small hobbies. It's pretty obvious that Don owns Venom Customs and has been coming in to criticize his competitors work without even owning their products. That doesn't feel like an obvious conflict of interest to you?

No, I didn't. I offered my opinion which was based on the experience of losing a "lifetime warranty" from a small builder that owned two brands which I referenced in my last reply. You expressed your opinion previously so we got it and we got it. Unlike you, I was not commenting on the quality of those other shops in this thread about MPA DS9 pistols. Try to keep your responses consistent before you knee jerk respond by moving the goalposts. So no I am certainly not criticizing Venom or Rafferty except to state by comparison that I believe simply a larger firm is more likely to stay in business and more likely to be able to provide long term warranty and support work. That opinion is based on experience from being burned by a small shop. You sit here and attempt to frame my response completely wrong yet you yourself won't bother to acknowledge that MPA has in fact repaired or tried to make previous problems right. That's even been described by real owners in this thread. I haven't heard much in terms of complaints from owners generally of MPA beyond a few incidents. But then again, word of mouth is not necessarily representative of actual quality control right. That certainly is not the only thing he said, don't be obstinate. My point was rather simple, you don't have to agree with me either. But in the end it certainly comes off as on an ongoing repetitive criticism that isn't necessarily fair or balanced. Cool? I remember when Atlas was started as well. The initial premise was fast delivery as well if you recall. I don't own an MPA. But your knee jerk response is a bit telling. You can reply with another wall of presumptions and misconstrued arguments if you want it doesn't really change anything that I said previously.

I mean let's be honest here, he hasn't been active in this thread except to criticize the quality of a product he doesn't even own. A response to @Douglee25's personal opinion doesn't necessitate what amounts to gatekeeping on current quality control of new versions of the same product. It's a tired repetition from someone who referred to their own products earlier in this same thread. That's not just a bad look on him, it's borderline intentional slight. I get the simple point about quality differences but the repetition is rather my point. I would much rather own an MPA 2011, knowing that they have the ability to support their products long term with size and scale versus a small shop like Venom, Rafferty and others. We were quite speculative of MPA in the PRS market initially as well. Now their rifle chassis is the fourth most common in competition use. To your point the Limited Optic pistol is just a variation that MPA offers, the hybrid which would easily work as well can be had for $2799 on gunbroker. Having myself owned STI/Staccato, CK and Freedom Gunworks - yes it is true the "low end" of the competition market has shifted away from reasonably priced three years ago before inflation. That shouldn't surprise anyone, especially since the sticker price isn't what people are actually paying.

@donnyglockYou've made your personal distaste for MPA known well enough. That doesn't mean you need to pop in this thread just to s#!t on them like you are.

It's interesting to see how popular CO has become. I know it was mentioned earlier in this thread, but division participation seems to change with member interests and trends in competitive guns. Who knows, maybe LO will be the new hotness for a few years.

I like the new provisional limited optics division, it's been hashed through fairly thoroughly here. Objectively the game continues to evolve as trends in guns itself evolve. I can count on one hand the number of guns I had with a red dot prior to 2007.

I have always though the nicest cases are the Negrini Pistol case that Atlas was offering. Not only nice but it can be customized.

I think it was around $2100

There are a couple of the BUL open models on gunbroker.com right now. Pricing for the UR is $2600.

Is there any danger to do doing that?