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  1. I've shot 7 different kinds of factory ammo through our Sig P320 X5: CCI Blazer Brass 147gr, Speer TMJ 147gr, S&B 115gr, and a variety of 115gr ~17 CPR ammo from Walmart including Federal 115gr, Federal Aluminum 115gr, Remington UMC 115gr, and WWB 115gr. I tested groups freestyle, and the best grouping ammo was CCI Blazer Brass 147gr. Here's a couple pics I posted in the P320 X5 thread. This is a 5-shot group at 20y during zeroing with CCI Blazer Brass 147gr, it measures about 1.5": This is CCI Blazer Brass 147gr at various distances up to 25y to see what the bullet was doing at various distances. It measures about 2.5": The CCI was a little stout so I wanted to get some 115s that had less recoil but were also economical and easily available at Walmart. I tested the different 115's and settled on Remington UMC. It seemed to have the best balance of recoil and accuracy. The best 5-shot group at 25y was a little over 2" and the recoil impulse seemed OK. WWB shot a little bit better but it had a little more felt recoil to me. Also, Remington UMC had a closer POI to the 147gr load in case I wanted to go between both bullet weights for some reason (like shooting spinners). Sorry, I've only been able to shoot at an indoor range so I don't have actual timer data on the splits, just going off how the recoil felt. I also wanted to note how basically everything shot well except S&B 115gr and that I've had no malfunctions in about 1k rounds so far. That might not seem like much but most of the rounds were shot rapid fire if that matters at all.
  2. Since the new P320 X5 is coming out with a new DPP slide cut, the older ones are being discounted. We picked one up for a decent deal along with a Sig Romeo 1 6 MOA and just wanted to add some data to everything else people have added. First, here it is: We added the Gray Guns competition trigger kit, which brought the trigger pull down from ~5.25# to almost 3#. We also added the GG stainless steel guide rod with 15# recoil spring, and Springer grip tape. We shot ~120 rounds, a mix of CCI Blazer Brass 147gr, Federal 115gr FMJ, and S&B 115gr FMJ. CCI Blazer Brass shot the best for us, here's a group while zeroing the red dot at 20y freestyle, and it measures about 1.5": Once I got it roughly zeroed at 20y, I shot 3 rounds from various distances freestyle to see what the POI looked like. The max size is about 2.5": Overall, I really like it. In my hands, accuracy freestyle is comparable to our STI Edge in 9mm but splits aren't as good. However, I shoot it much better than the various Glocks we own. I'm definitely considering moving from Glocks to the P320 platform because our X5 seems to shoot well. Does anyone know if you can expect comparable accuracy from other P320s? Will the different X-series guns shoot any better on average than "regular" P320s? Do X5s generally shoot better? Thanks!
  3. If I had to do an AR22 I would probably go with Nordic again but if I could go back in time I'd probably pick up an accurized 10/22 because I think they'd shoot better but then again, having identical ergonomics isn't very important to me. YMMV!
  4. Thanks! I don't really shoot 5-shot groups with the gun to be honest, just during load development and zeroing. That was the best group of the day from one of my load development sessions and here's the other best group of the day from a different load development session with different brass but still a Hornady 55gr FMJ bullet: I shot that with the Burris XTR II 1-5x and a bipod but I remember not having a rear bag with me at the range so I just used a rolled up tripod bag or something like that so that may explain some of the vertical dispersion. I don't think groups like that would be too uncommon with that gun considering how it shoots steel but I really don't know since I'm not a fan of shooting 5x5's or anything like that. YMMV
  5. That's a 5-shot group I shot during load development for our 16" DD 1:7 twist gov't profile barrel with 26.2 gr WC844 (H335 surplus powder), a Hornady 55gr FMJ, Wolf 223 Primer, and LC brass. I used a Harris bipod and Burris XTR II 1-5x. Unfortunately we have two other DD 1:7 twist barrels but that load doesn't shoot well in those. Those get better results with 75-77gr OTMs.
  6. I used my NC22 for what were then called Ruger Rimfire steel matches. I've literally shot 1100 (2 bulk packs) rounds of .22lr in a single range session with what I assumed were only one or two ammunition-related malfunctions. I cleaned my upper before matches to make sure it didn't malfunction but I only cleaned my lower maybe once every 3 or 4,000 rounds. The Geissele SSA still worked fine.
  7. I've used a couple different Geissele SSAs with the NC-22 upper (swapped lowers) and they both worked fine.
  8. I have a generation 1 NC-22 upper from many years ago but mine doesn't group very well. Maybe 1.5" at 50 yards with match ammo (RWS/Eley/Wolf/CCI SV). However, it's reliable if you keep it clean. I don't know about the AR Gold but mine is fine with Geisseles.
  9. I don't. I'm using Hornady 178gr BTHPs in both my Larue 7.62 Predatar and Sako TRG and I'm at 1.5gr less Varget with the AR10 (42.9gr vs 44.4gr). I was starting to get significant pressure signs above 43.2gr in my Larue.
  10. We have both a 6 and 6.5 Creedmoor in custom actions in chassis setups. The barrel life of a 6.5 is a little better than a 6 but neither are anything like a .308. FWIW we got about 2,000 rounds on our last 6 Creed barrel, at 1800 rounds it was still shooting 1/3 MOA 5-shot groups at 300 yards. The energy is better on a 6.5 so it helps with better target indications and kicking up splash, but whether or not that matters is up to you. The biggest difference is the recoil impulse. We've shot our 6, 6.5, and .308's back to back to back on numerous occasions, all on rifles similarly configured (similar weight, braked, etc), all with relatively stout loads and 6.5 is very similar to .308. People say it recoils much less but I definitely don't think that to be the case. It recoils slightly less, and the recoil impulse is similar, more of a slower push. 6 Creedmoor however recoils much less than both and its recoil impulse is more like a .223 in that it's a quick sharp impulse. Braked, it's like a .223 with a lot more bark. The drift numbers are similar on our Creedmoors, shooting 105 Hybrids in the 6 and 140 Hybrids in the 6.5, so you're basically giving up is energy and barrel life with a 6. However the cost is a push because 6mm bullets are cheaper than 6.5mm bullets if you choose the same style bullet. If you can deal with the time and effort associated with a 6 (with the shorter barrel life) then I think that'd be a good option. If you want a slightly longer barrel life or want more factory ammo options 6.5 is the way to go. IMHO.
  11. I prefer the SKB double rifle case to the Pelican double rifle cause because it's a little lighter so you have more weight for your rifles/ammo to be under the 50# limit for airlines before you get nailed with overweight fees. I have this one: https://www.amazon.com/SKB-Large-Double-Rifle-Case/dp/B001B97CY6 I've flown with it a few times and it's held up well. I can fit 2x bolt guns with 26" barrels and brakes in chassis. To get under the 50# limit though with both rifles, I need to remove one of the scopes.
  12. Even at 300 yards the difference between shooting 55's and 77's can be a lot depending on the size of your target and wind conditions. In a 10mph wind you're talking about almost a 3" difference in drift between the two (estimated velocities from a 20" barrel). If you're shooting a small target or for score that can be a miss or quite a few dropped points. Also, at the Creedmoor Cup East (big High Power match) a few years ago, some dude was shooting 52's from his 20" barrel and it was horrible at the 600y line. Quite a few misses and he was working the entire 5 ring. The rounds were subsonic by the time it got to us in the pits and it was kinda funny and kinda dangerous. Those 50-55gr Varmint/match rounds might be good at 100 or 200 yards but I'd much prefer the heavies at longer distances. For practical accuracy at distance I'd much rather have a 77gr load that shoots a 5-shot 3/4 MOA group than a 52gr load that shoots 1/2. The drift and energy is better and has more useful benefits. Unless you're shooting 100 yard benchrest competitions with your AR15, I don't really think it's worth getting worked up over losing a couple tenths of an inch in accuracy at 100 yards but YMMV.
  13. FWIW the WOA 18" rifle gas barrel is in stock at Brownell's. A lot of NM shooters still use 1:8 as well, as RRA and other brands use that in their stainless barrels. You can still shoot 80gr SMKs with that twist, just not 80gr AMAX and ~80gr Bergers. For fluted or not, I think it depends what your use would be (and budget since the 20" fluted is $100 more). The weight is comparable between an 18" unfluted and the 20" fluted SDM barrel. For LR shooting, I personally feel that .223 isn't that great so any extra velocity would be helpful to counter drift. Extra energy might also help a little bit more on steel targets or for spotting splash. Either way, WOA makes great barrels. We've had a handful of WOA barrels now and here's a group from our latest 20" service rifle barrel. It was the second 5-shot group we shot to get the rifle zeroed with a suppressor. No specific load development, just a load that works with other ARs we have. We've used it to get hits on a 2/3 IPSC at 1000 yards here in Nevada. Holds elevation pretty decently to that distance with 75gr Hornady BTHP handloads.
  14. I've had a few sets of the Seekins/Vortex precision matched rings and they're great rings. You might also want to look on the classifieds on Sniper's Hide as you can usually find a good deal on lightly used rings there. You can pick up a pair of Badger or Nightforce rings for well within your budget.
  15. I agree with Mr. Kelley that the Burris XTR II 1-5x is the best 1-nx scope for the money. It is high quality, especially for the price. I picked mine up for $575 lightly used and my friend picked one up for $560 used. I wrote a quick comparison review on it here if you were interested: http://gunpositive.com/leupold-mk6-1-6x-vs-other-1-nx-scopes/ On 1-nx scopes I prefer BDC reticles so I'd rather have the BDC model than the mil-based reticle. For me, it's easier and faster to keep track of yardages to targets rather than mil corrections. I'm probably not Leupold's target user for the CM-R2 reticle but I don't like that the horizontal stadia refer to lead distance for targets going 5/10/15 mph. I think I would have just preferred something more generic like horizontal mil subtensions but that's just IMHO.
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