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Are you chronoing your ammo? Or just going off published data/guessing?

As has been discussed I make the switch between 55gr and 77gr TMK's as need be. I zero for my 77gr's and just know where my 55's hit in relation to that (which is only about 1/2'' difference) I only really shoot my 55's to 150-200 tops past that and sometimes earlier than that I switch over to my 77's.

If you're worried about warranty then just buy from Brownells. They offer a forever no questions warranty on all products they sell.

The p3tr reticle in the Steiner p4xi (I know confusing) is a BDC reticle. It is designed for a 50yd zero with factory ammunition and the subtensions at set up at intervals so that they will line up pretty well at the 300, 400, and 500yd line. A MOA/MIL reticle the subtensions are set at round numbers of MIL/MOA and are more useful if you get into reloading your own ammo or shooting different calibers. That being said I'm pretty sure that the Viper PST genII also has an offering that is in a BDC reticle. Personally I load my own ammo and prefer MOA over MIL so that's how I like my subtensions I've also been known to move scopes around between guns alot. But BDC's work well for alot of shooters.

I have a Steiner, shot a lot of PST gen 2's. I really like the glass clarity, illumination, reticle, and weight of the Steiner. It's also cheaper. If you shoot factory ammo it's a good choice. That being said the Vortex has more reticle options. It's heavier and more expensive but you get a bit more magnification. I've seen several of these break, but Vortex will take care of you. At the end of the day either is a great choice and you won't be disappointed. Buy the reticle that lines up with your ammo the best, that's the most important factor in breaking the tie.

I know, way late to the party here. I've had a Titan in 9mm for about 8 months now. I played around with springs alot in the beginning but eventually settled on a 7lb spring for my grip and ammo. I've yet to have a malfunction short of ammo not going off (backwards primers and what not). I really don't clean the gun like I should. I use a hodgepodge of MBX, old STI, and new STI mags none of which are tuned. I shoot 147gr Xtreme's through it pretty exclusively that I load right at 128 PF. I don't know what it is but this thing is simply magical. As others have said, I've also got my eyes on another now. I think a Nemesis could be fun...

I'm a fan of the condition 3 start anytime you're requiring shooters to go prone, use a sling, or anything else crazy. One small concession can ease a lot of minds and quite many complaints.

I don't shoot Winchester Universal because I'm not a fan of how it's loaded and I'm very particular about my ammo, but there's nothing wrong with it. I know one person in specific that has fed 5k rds of Win/Fed Walmart ammo to a Franchi Affinity without a single malfunction and that gun was literally never cleaned. It was awful. OH and thanks for bringing up Super Speeds, between myself and another friend we shot 6 flats of super speed this past year and had no issues. We're running the same shotguns. And yes my shotgun has chewed up everything I've put in it. I think the point about you can't shoot too soft or hot of ammo is counter productive to your point that 930's 'just get a bad wrap.' I shoot a gas gun, I didn't clean it once last year, shot it at least two times a week every week, never had a malfunction, fed it primarily 1145fps ammo, and it worked that way right out of the box. You could get a 930 and spend hours working on it and maybe get it to run right or you can get a much better gun for marginally more money that will work right out of the box and is every bit as set up as 930.

Precision Armament M4-72 Severe Duty. I have one on almost all my rifles including my 14.5" .223 and 308's. Works incredibly well and doesn't look ridiculous either.

Are you looking for a muzzle device for an SBR or one to pin/weld to a shorter barrel and bring it to length? What's your goal for the device, flash suppression or compensation? If your primarily doing classes you might not want a break especially with that short of a barrel, people will get fed up being next to that very quickly.

Time isn't a massive issue for me, I might have to try that. With my 16'' Proof barreled gun (my primary comp rifle at the moment) I'm getting 2457 FPS at the muzzle with the aforementioned 77gr TMK and 24gr Varget as measured by my Lab Radar Chrono. It just works out that with a 50yd zero that lines up almost perfectly with my 1-6x Trijicon Accupoint. Stadia lines hit at 289, 411, 512, and 600yds according to Strelok and confirmed with all my shooting, lots of first round impact out to 600. I've been so lucky with that loading of Varget which is why I'm hesitant to switch powders. I'm sure I could get another powder to hit the same velocity, it's just a lot of work to make all the test rounds, check them, then go back and forth from the bench to the range until I get it right. I haven't checked it in my 18'' Seekins barrel as I haven't shot that gun in a while or in my 14.5'' JP barrel because I primarily use that for bay matches and it just has a dot on it, but one of these days I'll get around to it.

I've been using the Sierra 77gr TMK's for a while now and will continue to until they run out as I have gotten them all for free to date. Before that I was using Hornady 75gr BTHP Match with Varget as well and had really good luck with them too. The ELDx came out after I was already using the TMK's but eventually when it comes time for me to actually pay for bullets again I'd like to give those a try too. One of my reasons for this line of inquiry is that with the charge of Varget I'm using (24gr) it is being heavily compressed which causes some deformation of the bullets by the seating stem. I love the loading and the velocity/accuracy I'm seeing so it's not the hugest of deals but I'd prefer it not to happen. Sierra actually addressed this issue and suggested modification to the seating stem, which I tried and really didn't see any difference. So I either need to go to another powder that has a lower case volume or start trying new dies if I want to correct this minor nagging issue. As of now I am chamfering my cases on a Hornady case prep trio after the size/trim on the 1500. This takes alot of time and I'm considering trying out an M die or something similar as I have my first station open currently anyway. If I don't chamfer the mouths of the cases can scrape some of the jacketing off of the bullets upon seating them even with various BT's I tried.

24". Accuracy is great with either IC or LM. Just have to hold a touch higher with LM.

As a natural lefty with many right handed guns I can answer a few questions. It's easier to match save'r a right handed shotgun vs a left handed one. The bolt release on a right handed gun helps guide the shell into the load port. Almost all stocks can be shimmed so you can get the correct cast/drop/pitch regardless of what hand/eye you are using. Make sure the safety is reversible, that matters. Knapp sights are awesome as has already been said. Lastly make sure the recoil pad is shaped correctly either a universal fit or fit for you (more of an M2 issue) so that the gun fits you.

Does anyone know the LOP of that stock?

I've been using Fiocchi low recoil slugs (JM3G variant) with mine for a long time now with killer results. Low cost, low recoil, great accuracy. Hell last year at a match I misunderstood a 8" rifle flasher at 150yds to be a slug target and slammed it on my first shot, I was stoked... until the penalties came.

Since you brought it up, and mentioned having experience with Varget, how does 8208 compare as far as burn rate and what not? Ideally I'd like to be using less case capacity and maintain the same velocity (my load lines up killer with my scope) and I can't find much info on 8208. Also, this isn't the first time 8208 has been suggested.

Ehh, not that shocking. The Mega Kick off for my Beretta was just about as much. Anything Beretta/Benelli is expensive.

You kinda hit the nail on the head, 24gr's of Varget with a 77gr Sierra TMK over top. I'm charging with a Hornady powder drop with a micrometer adjuster, it's surprisingly accurate especially considering it's a stick powder like Varget. I'm sizing/trimming with a Dillon 1500.

Where did you end up finding the compact stock? I've been interested in those. Also is it a comfort tech or more of just a standard stock?

So personally I feel that a 26'' is the choice anymore. You get more velocity out of you shot which I've personally seen be an advantage time and time again vs 24'' that didn't knock targets over or had to choke up more to accomplish the same things with the same ammo. Your tube will still be longer than you barrel with a 12rd tube and a 26'' gun. 24'' is fine, but velocity. 28'' is just heavy and excessive. Also I'm not sure what it is but anymore I'd categorize the M3K and the 930JM the same, 'avoid like the plague.' Every single M3K that I've seen at a match to include the one that I owned has had a massive amount of problems. Strangely on the other hand M3000's seem to work well, I've never really seen them have ANY problems. It almost seems that in adding 'features' to the M3K while keeping the cost down it seems that some corners were cut and that gun was absolutely ruined. I've also heard some several of the top people doing work on these guns that they prefer to work on M3000's over M3K's because some of the things done to the M3K aren't exactly ideal that that they ultimately have to undo alot of the factory work which results in sub par results from them and overall just more work. I'd also tell you to take a look into the Franchi Affinity. Those have really proven to be an absolute beast of a gun for a lower price point if you decide that you're after an inertia gun.

Thanks for the suggestions! I've gotten all my 77gr TMK's for free to date which is why I have been and will be using them for a while. Prior to these bullets I was loading 75gr Hornady BTHP Match rounds for the same purpose. Worked fine, but not free. When it comes time to actually pay for projectiles again I'd like to try the ELDx's as those are new since I've been using TMK's.

I'm currently loading 77gr TMK's as my long range ammo for 3 gun and have a few questions. What brass are you using? Are you headstamp sorting? More specifically if you are using LC brass are you sorting by the year?I'm currently reloading all my long range ammo into Federal casings (FC) with very good results. With Varget I'm seeing about a 7 FPS SD. Unfortunately my supply of Federal cases is dwindling. I've heard that most people prefer to load into LC brass, but if so are you concerned with matching years as well? I have a large pile of LC brass but it is all of mixed years, just curious if I am to go down that path if I should be trying to sort out all my cases by year or just treat all LC cases as the same. With the charge of Varget I use it takes up a massive amount of case capacity and these long bullets must be seated down pretty far so when seating the bullets my seating die leaves a pretty good indentation into the bullets, I attempted to remedy this by polishing out my seating stem but it didn't seem to really make a difference. So my question there would be if you are using Varget, have you found a die that works well with these bullets? Or have you found another powder that works well and isn't as volumeous?

Question for those of you that reload long range ammo. What brass are you using? Are you headstamp sorting? More specifically if you are using LC brass are you sorting by the year? I'm currently reloading all my long range ammo into Federal casings (FC) with very good results. With Varget I'm seeing about a 7 FPS SD. Unfortunately my supply of Federal cases is dwindling. I've heard that most people prefer to load into LC brass, but if so are you concerned with matching years as well? I have a large pile of LC brass but it is all of mixed years, just curious if I am to go down that path if I should be trying to sort out all my cases by year or just treat all LC cases as the same.

"Doesn't do well past 300yds." That's a multifacated statement. What ammo are you using? Have you tried other (heavier) ammo? What is your current twist rate? I would recommend that whatever you get you get it chambered in .223 Wylde with a 1/8 twist rate. That way you can run a large range of ammo light and heavy and still get good performance from it all. For what it's worth, JP makes all sorts of different barrel profiles to satisfy different shooters preferences and needs. I've found the ultra light profile to be perfectly adequate for my applications and I prefer the reduced weight out front, but you can get something heaver as well. It's also not just JP that does that, most manufactures offer lots of different profile options.