MikeBurgess

this^^^

that's not a issue its just a thing you have to do.

looks like Cabot Guns makes a left hand 1911 so I would start there, Looks like they make only a 45 and that is $4695 I'm just guessing but I bet a full LH 2011 in 9 or 38 is going to be well north of 10k because none of the main parts are stock.

this^^^^^ I cant count how many new shooters show up with a full rig for their first match and within a few months either decide its not for them or that they want entirely different gear and go back out and spend all their money again. start with what you have in the matches that interest you , see what others are shooting, ask to try guns you think you may like, almost everyone will be happy to let you try their stuff. then once you have some actual information start thinking about spending money.

To me the big thing with reloads is are they consistent? can you do them going forward? backwards? left? right? Having a 1.2 second standing reload that turns into a 5 second S*%& show if you have to move to your left is not as good as having a 2.3 second reload that just happens regardless of what ever else you may be doing. For me one of the big reasons I weak hand reload is I swap between revo and auto all the time and my left hand handles the ammo getting portion of the reload regardless. If I could dedicate myself to just revo I would probably switch, when I have tried it in static practice strong hand equals my weak hand times pretty quickly so I know it could be faster but having to retrain myself is a larger project than I'm ready for at this point.

I've had the best luck with round nose bullets in my wife's Gold Team. Also I think we are up to a 12lb spring in it with lighter springs the dot would return high. I tried a 9 lb spring in a different build (small frame 9mm) and it would sometimes not have enough oomph to shove rounds up the feed ramp. So far my experience is with tanfo you cant just use the same spring rates as the 2011s use. We are running a custom comp with no popple holes and a stroked slide so springing for you may be different but dont be afraid to try heavier springs. Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk

So the question is fo we create a new division for non competitive shooters to be non competative in with minor work to their existing equipment. No sorry just shoot open. The actual performance difference between a 40 limited with a dot and a full on open gun is actually very very small. If we are taking about older shooters wanting to use a dot on the guns they already have I doubt they would be able to see the difference in their scores between a 40 limited with a dot and a 9 open with 170 mags A friend of mine was quite competitive at the area match level shooting a G35 with a dot and no comp. Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk

Also on the design side I have found that to a certain extent it doesn't matter nearly as much as we like to think, make reasonably safe stages that are by the rules and everyone will have a good time. even simple stages will become challenging when you are trying to shoot them to the limit of your ability. balance is great but each stage does not need to be balanced a variety of stages is the best way to get balance.

At our club the MDs is responsible for all the stages we have 2 MDs that work together to make sure there are good stages lined up for each match, the stages get posted to a shared google drive that the setup crew can access. we setup the day before the match and a dedicated group of volunteers shows up and does their part in setting up the stages. each of the volunteers has a part of the setup that they like and take care of. we have one guy that pulls props and delivers them to the bays, a couple guys that rough in the stages per the diagrams, the MDs that finalize the layouts and some guys that drill and nail everything down. morning of the match is just setting paper and activators. on the design side, the MDs do come up dry for ideas sometimes so they go steel designs from the internet or with a online record of stages going back years they may pull a stage from the past and change the start position or just set it up in a different bay.

you can have a 10 or 12" PCC it just has to be a rifle not a pistol

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but those that are winning spend almost no time worrying about guns so we need to pick up their slack.

Revo is the opposite of Open basically all the other divisions are a compromise. If you want it as easy as you can make it shoot open if you want it hard shoot revo

Tolling, possibly, But I believe you miss understand the term insurmountable, that would mean it can not be overcome by practice or anything else. I have seen results from some other clubs where a GM SS shooter beats GM Open shooters, yes the SS shooter is an elite GM but the GM open shooters he is beating are not scrubs. The whole point is guns only account for so much of or total performance and even really big differences in guns only account for reasonable small differences if total performance. most matches breakdown something like this (very match and shooter dependent) Open 100% PCC 98% Limited 95% CO 95% Prod/SS 85% Revo 60% Basically once you get to having north of 18 rounds in the gun there is not that much performance difference to be had, optics help, major scoring helps having both helps most. So even making a magic gun that has no recoil and instant splits would only be at best a tiny improvement in overall performance and the energy needed to create it would better be spent practicing

Personally I'm a fan of weak hand loading, for two reasons is muzzle controll is easier and second it is more similar to reloading an auto and as I switch platforms regularly that's helpfull. My technique (aka this works for me) I shoot with a thumbs forward grip just like an auto. After firing last shot is both thumbs and trigger finger move, strong hand thumb to where the hammer spur would be weak hand thumb to the cylinder release trigger finger to the side of the cylinder. Weak hand thumb releases cylinder trigger finger presses cylinder through frame During steps one and 2 muzzle is being elevated to about 45 deg Weak hand hits ejector rod Weak hand grabs new moon clip While grabbing clip muzzle I'd dropping to about 45 deg down Weak hand delivers moon clip to cylinder, look the moon into the cylinder Weak hand closes cylinder while bringing gun back up to firing position Grip is rebuilt as gun gets to firing position. Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk

Is ammo cost a concern? do you reload 9mm by the bushel? do you load 40 by the bushel? how do you feel about recoil? If the extra cost of 45 is no concern build a 45 If you shoot lots of 9mm and don't want to mess with changing loads build a 9mm If you shoot limited and want to dabble in SS build a 40 If you love shooting a gun with very little recoil build a 9mm (yes it can be done with 40 but I see many reports of 10 round 40 minor not being 100%)

I think the real flaw in the logic of a Super fast Super soft Super flat Minor open gun is, other than recoil any "new " thing you can do to a minor gun you can also do to a major one. The gun can only contribute to accuracy, split speed, and to a lesser extent transition and draw speed. an typical USPSA/IPSC type stages the vast majority of stage time is spent not shooting, the gun has no affect on this, so in order to overcome the scoring disadvantage of minor you need to be more accurate with much faster splits The problem is top level open shooters are already able to shoot a major power factor gun very fast and accurately think sub 3 second bill drills at 25 yards, at that kind of performance I don't believe the gun is the limiting factor I think the shooter pressing the trigger is, so in order to make a improvement here (and you would need to make a pretty large one because we are not shooting most of the time) you will need to find a way to make the gun less susceptible to trigger induced movement, and for that to make minor a player it would have to be something that would not work at major pf.

the RM may not have a rule to quote when talking to competitor A after having competitor B ask him about it, but he sure can bring the situation to his attention and ask him to reshoot. As above if the shooter says no I don't think the time is wrong then you get into possible arb situation, but unless I believe that shooters incorrect time is going to make me loose the championship or I think they are being a total d^$@ about it, I'm probably not going to risk Arb money

So I went and looked at the results For 7 stages BJ in open was a second faster than he was with CO but 2 bad runs on stage 2 cost him almost 5 seconds in open. So in the end consistency wins the match, but for outright performance open is the way. He was 1 run away from a new world record with the open gun, anybody know what order he shot the stages in? was stage 2 his last stage? did he know he was shooting for a world record?

I believe that is because the gun makes very little difference in performance so if the same guy was feeling in tune a tiny bit more with one gun than the other he will win with that (in Steel Challenge) because hitting first time every time shooting just this side of index is what wins. I haven't looked at the results in depth but a question that comes up is was he consistently faster with the CO gun or was he just more consistent? basically was it 4 faster runs vs open or 4 good runs in CO and 3 great and 1 not so good in open? In steel 2 bad runs on a stage can cost a match

No, I'm referring to USPSA, SS shooters beat open shooters on the regular, because the shooter makes more difference than the gun. heck I beat lots of Autos shooting a revo, is the revo better for the game? No, but the advantage an auto has is not insurmountable.

Not true, a shooter found some extra speed and that shooter happened to be shooting a CO gun In the greater scheme of things in USPSA/IPSC/SCSA the shooter is by far the largest factor in the equation. Yes a open major shooter tends to win most matches, and it is quite normal for it to be a decent margin of second place (think several percent) because that shooter shot better not because they had a better gun. Then as you start looking down the results you see a mixture of divisions appear pretty quickly because a lesser gun doesnt make enough difference to stop a good shooter from shooting well. We are not F1 the better gun will not automatically win. Heck having a better gun may or may not actually be visible in the results. Look at oprn guns today, heavy grip, mid length, I just rebuilt a 20 year old Caspian oddly also a heavy grip middy. So not a lot of progress Look at comps today and you will see everyone makes something different, if something actually worked better they would all be the same but because nothing works noticeably better many designs are viable and competitive. My point is this us a shooters game not a gun game, and the difference in potential from a 8 shot single stack to a full open gun is so small even that can be overcome. Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk

Even for hoser stages like can you count major doesnt slow me down. I'm just an A but I run about .14 splits major or minor on that type of target the limit is ability to press the trigger any faster. I know there are a few guys that can run .10 splits regularly but that is the exception not the norm. About the only way to make a open gun appreciably faster (major or minor) would be burst fire so only one trigger press would result in x number of .05 splits. If I have to press the trigger for each shot I am the weak link in the system. Sent from my SM-N960U using Tapatalk

I think its more like CO has shown how much of a advantage a dot is on a hand gun. With open guns we have let our selves believe that comps and triggers and better loads and whatever else make a big difference, but when you start seeing good shooters shoot CO it becomes obvious that a CO gun is really only giving up Major scoring to a full house build Open gun, all the other crap is just noise in the actual scale of performance.

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