Pistolpete9

Cajun adjustable sear makes for a more positive click in my experience, but obviously won't change the return pressure

Good info! Looking forward to your data! Thanks guys

I think I'd be fine with a <1% failure rate as long as I could use most loads. I've been trying to get my M3000 there and I've eliminated "Benelli click" and failures to feed. If I can just get better extraction/ejection out of it, I think I'd be happy. Oddly enough, it's struggling more with the hot loads than the light ones, but I think that's do to the extractor slipping off the rim so it makes sense. I get why it's hard to make a shotgun run as reliably as a 9mm, but dangit if that ain't the dream I'm chasing anyway.

I'm a little late to the party here, but I'll give it a go. Nothing to be ashamed of here. That's pretty solid shooting and reloading, but I can throw a few things your way. - It's already been mentioned, but footwork could use work (that's less about how fast you are as a human being and more about engaging your brain to decide I WILL MOVE FAST THE MOMENT THAT SHOT BREAKS as well as knowing where you're going and having a plan to get there....I do the same thing often, so this is pot calling you black) - If you're going to shoot SS minor and take the time to aim each shot (which it looks like you are), you MUST hit alphas. Giving away points AND time can not be an option. Pick one or the other to be the one you're willing to give a little on. If you can't decide, pick speed! Most any shooter who practices can hit alphas while standing still, while few people really know how to move with a gun. It's the harder skill to learn and you'll probably have more fun learning it. - Looks like you're "admiring" your shots a little. You know where it's going to hit, so if it isn't good enough, follow up immediately and if it is, feet/gun should be moving as soon as the pin hits the primer. It's another brain training game Mostly looks like you could see some improvement from just really working your mental game a little more. Your shooting and reloading is fine from what I can see (I'm not one of the world class shooters on this forum though)

In this case I mean ROF as in rate of failure. We all know that semi automatic shotguns typically have a higher rate of failure than our other guns. (extraction, ejection, failure to return to battery, failure to feed, etc.) My question is what is your idea of an acceptable rate of failure? (as in, "as long as it does _____ I won't get rid of it) For pistol and rifle, my bottom line is 1 failure in 1000 rounds or .1% with ANY factory ammo. My guns easily have lived up to that, but my shotgun that I finally have running pretty well is NOWHERE NEAR THAT. So the question again is, what's a good baseline?

I've discovered the same thing. I finally have my m3000 running well and it's beating me to a pulp. Looks like there's an adapter plate that allows you to put a limbsaver pad on there. I'm ordering one up today.

Agreed. The adjustable sear is the way to go. I set mine the way I like it and it hasn't needed an adjustment in 3 years of shooting.

Man, that's exactly right. The best thing I ever did was copy down some amazing thing that one of the super stud's accomplished (Jerry Miculek, Max Michel, Bob Vogel, etc.) and try to do the same thing. Obviously I didn't make those things happen, but I'd rather fail at trying to be as good as those guys, than succeed at being the hotshot and some rinkydink local range. It's just like when we used to all watch MJ/Kobe/whoever and then try to emulate that while practicing ball.

Another simple tip for making sure that you're actually shooting based on your sights and also working on transitions is to work a plate rack (if you have access to one). A lot of people simply shoot down a plate rack in a consecutive row, but there's more that you can do. 1. Shoot it in a row with absolute confidence in each pull and note your splits and hits from 7 yards 2. Shoot it faster than you can reliably hit every plate and note your splits, hits, and be able to say exactly which ones you missed and where you missed 3. Now do the same thing except shoot "outside-in" (plate 1,6,2,5,3,4). again note everything and this time your splits should be noticeably different if you aren't simply following a trigger rhythm in your head (should look something like .25, .17, .13. not those exact numbers, but that descending order). Try other patterns like a 1,3,4,6,2,5 etc. 4. Now try it from 10 or 15 or 25 yards. Keep track of all of the info collected for each distance. This might not be the best advice you are given, because some of the guys here are truly world class shooters and I'm not likely in the top 500 in the nation, but training this way with a shot timer and a plate rack has helped me immensely. Before I ever did this, my splits were almost always identical and now my shooting is much more based on my sight picture instead of some intrinsic rhythm, my transitions are much quicker, and I can tell you when I where I missed when I do. Now if I could just get myself to stop pulling the trigger when I can clearly see that the sights aren't where they need to be....

No one has asked this, so I will. When you say you've been practicing a lot, what does that mean? When I was getting started in my young 20's I would shoot about 100 rounds a month and really do no dry fire practice and I thought that was "a lot" of shooting. My first year of shooting 5000 rounds coupled with dry fire training at least an hour a week, I made considerable gains. There's a lot of tips and tricks and such on this forum and they're all very good advice, but nothing beats practice and experience. So how long have you been shooting and how much are you practicing per week? (inflated numbers will sound better, but won't help you honestly address the issue). If the answer is less than an hour a week, than don't spend a bunch of money on a different gun or training tool. There's a device that cost $.01 that you can balance on your front sight while you pull the trigger that will help immensely (the deluxe version cost $.10)

They're in stock as of today! I just ordered

Thanks for sharing the info! I literally got called to go pick up my newborn adopted daughter right after my last post, so looks like I'll be in no hurry after all

They've been out for at least a month, maybe more. For all I know they'll be back tomorrow, but I'm getting impatient

Anyone else got one??? I'm starting to wonder if they're going another run or not

I like CZ and when it comes to competition, it has earned my "one and only" status because of the great fit to my hand, two of the best aftermarket support companies (CZC and CGW), and being easily the most reliable gun I've ever owned by a wide margin. That said, I like shooting everything and definitely couldn't limit myself to only owning CZ. But for competition...yeah that's what happened to me.

I agree that anyone that practices it much will probably find the 3 second mark pretty attainable. I can pretty routinely get to 2.5 now. Although Bob Vogel is an amazing shooter who could kill me with his pinky, I don't think those videos are a good representation of how to practice a plate rack. First of all, that's 5 yards, not 7 (the shadows of the barrels give the distance away). It's also not from surrender and he's clearly jumping the beep instead of reacting to it. Very cool and I can't approach doing it that well, but it won't help you in competition to practice that way.

They're going to struggle to keep up with orders....

So after all of this and having tried out both the open and limited set up for a while (went back and forth a few times), I really prefer the TS as a limited gun. It takes more away than it adds to have the extras on there. At this point, I've beaten this gun senseless (drilled, filed, sanded, pounded out the sights more than once... First time was a doozy!) And have put a LOT of rounds through it. I've never minded that it looked like a working gun every step of the way and I still don't. However, I think it's earned the right to look less like a mad scientists halfway/poorly finished project. So my plans are to refill the drill holes and sand down anywhere I've marked up the gun and then recoat it and put on the correct magwell (I've been using the factory plastic ones because speedy practice makes for many many dings and the plastic is cheaper and does less damage to the mags). I'll likely throw a new recoil spring and hide Todd on at the same time. That being said, anyone ever used JB weld (that's my current plan) and then coated it? My current idea is to lay the frame down against a Ziploc bag and fill the holes from the inside so that it is more than enough on the outside and then I can sand back down to the frame from there.

The adjustable sear is awesome. Be careful to leave enough "overtravel" in your trigger movement so that the hammer is clearing the sear as it falls (you can actually see it if you hold the hammer with your thumb while working the trigger, so it's easy enough). I was tempted to make my trigger have even less movement, but I don't want to wear out the sear

I think Tok36 has you going in the right direction. I don't have a Shadow 2 but the TS has a safety detent on both sides and it is a VERY easy part to lose or install incorrectly. If it is installed correctly, a stronger spring should solve your problems pretty easily. Otherwise your safety is out of spec.

For those of you who don't get it, I have often felt that way about a LOT of different guns that are released....this isn't one of them. Because I already own a TS that I've mangled and beaten, I won't be able to get one of these until the TS stops running, which I'm guessing will happen around 50 years from now. Had this gun been out 5 years ago, I wouldn't have even given it a second thought. Of course, it has zero track record and will have to be absolutely flawless in its reliability to approach TS status, but if it is, I don't know why anyone would run a 2011 in limited ever again. Cheaper gun, better grip, cheaper AND more reliable mags. This thing looks like a win from every angle to me IF it runs.

I'm shocked that S&W is dragging their feet getting this to market.....everyone else is racing to show off a red dot ready model and they just left the old ones out....very odd. I'm guessing they don't have anything else to show off at SHOT next year, so they're saving it for that???

I'm not a fan of the amount that the dingus protrudes, but I generally hate trigger safeties (I have a manual safety 2.0). That said, once the live ammunition starts barking, I NEVER notice it and the flat trigger is very helpful in getting fast hits for me. Curved triggers definitely have some advantages, but for letting off rounds in a hurry, flat trigger wins every time for me and that goes for rifles too (I actually purposely stopped using flat AR triggers because I couldn't keep myself from machine gunning off some rounds every single range trip...the curved trigger fools my brain into thinking I'm a sniper instead of a lead thrower:))

I'm pretty sure that everyone who posted already on this topic is a better shooter than me, but I'll say this; Too often we're convinced that there is an exact right way to do something and it is holding us back. More often the case is that we should simply be doing it more so that we can get better at it. I understand the idea of practicing correctly and there are SOME non negotiables, but there's a lot of room for each person to make it their own. Watch a PGA tour event and see how different swings can look (let alone equipment and putting style!) and these guys are all at a level that is absolutely incredible. Watch some NBA player shoot 3 pointers with a cross faced stance and still hit over 80% in practice. Look at batting stances in the MLB. Shooting is much the same. There are ways of doing it that we call "ideal", but if you find a way that works for you, do it. Me personally, I squint a little and have never once had it hurt my score (misses and being out of shape do that for me and I'd way rather work on those things than switching dominant hand/eye).

Thanks! Sheboygan Rifle and Pistol club has a mile long waiting list, but I guess I can still try out their matches