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ATLDave, Thanks! I finally did find (another option) at Fobus, the IWBL (long) or so the customer service e-mail says. I'm looking at the Fist also.

I just need it for self-defense. I'd like one for open carry and one for concealed carry. (I know it's large for cc, but still.) Thanks for any help. I do a lot of physical activity / loading, so a good holster that won't let go (unless I need it) would be nice. I don't mind paying more for rugged / quality, durability. Thanks for any help.