Mike H

Late to the party, but as previously stated SH, Accurate Shooter, Precision Rifle Blog and Long Range Hunting are the places I usually wind up. PRS usually evolves or devolves (depending on how you view it) into a reloading game as much as a shooting endeavor in order to maximize performance and save money(lol). It's easy to put on a tin foil hat and go down that rabbit hole. A local DFW resource is http://www.precisionriflehunters.com/run by a fireman who is a great guy, very solid competitor and excellent instructor. http://panhandleprecision.com/ is another blog that has detailed info with youtube videos on PRS reloading and informative articles on topics seldom written about-angles, trajectory changes etc.

I had Adam build a 9mm upper for my .40 Titan, then the Hyperion came out. I shot one and it was great. Better than a 9mm Nemesis? I don't know, I love the Nemesis in .40, but it's a toss up for me between the Nemesis and Titan in .40. If I had a do over, I'd definitely buy a Hyperion over the 9mm Titan upper. For me, the 9mm in the Titan and Nemesis is a little overkill, but a blast to shoot. The Hyperion is a just a great pistol for the 9mm, jrn1975 stated it perfectly.

Kyle Lamb's series of Viking Tactics videos on youtube or his website might be what you want. If you're active duty on an ODA, look at his background for any questions on credibility.

Charlie, really sorry to hear about the fall-knee and back issues suck. I just re-read your book this weekend, and it's more insightful every time I go thru it. Looking forward to your evaluation of the Atlas line, I love mine.

Yep, velocity was way low.

I struggled with developing a load for my JP PCC 16". I use E3 powder for .40 and 9mm pistol and it was way too fast a powder for the PCC. After spending too much time and effort on the process, I ended up settling on HP38 which is a mid to slower range powder. I load a 124gr JHP with 4.7 grains of HP38, 1.135 OAL for a PF of 140. The rifle cycles great at that PF. for my preference. HP38 is easy for me to obtain, doesn't seem to to be temperature sensitive, incredibly accurate, meters well and the price is right. Now, I prefer HP38 over E3 for 9mm pistol, as I find it has better recoil, not as hot and meters more consistently. I haven't had time to mess with a .40 load with HP38. I also had a few pounds of VVN340 left over and loaded a 124JHP with 4.9 grains for a PF 138. That load worked very well, but due to lack of local supply and no measurable performance issues between the VVN340 and HP38, I'm sticking with HP. JP PCC's are typically slower than other barrels. Your 14.5" will not present the same issues I faced, but I'd steer towards a mid range to slower powder. The IMR chart shows VVN320 at #24, HP38 at #28 and VVN340 at #37. A lot depends on what you personally like in terms of cycling, recoil and dot movement.

Gio, the velocity in my barrel was a bit slower than other PCC's that I've shot including a JP PCC. No big deal, just need to change up my powder selection. 135ishPF or a bit higher was the sweet spot for me while shooting a friend's JP. I went with the 16" barrel due to my preference for a longer barrel and heavier weight out front. I'm probably in the minority on that. I shot registered skeet and preferred a 32" K gun that was heavy. It prevented me from over swinging on targets and forced me to pull the gun into my shoulder. I find a similar set-up helps me in PCC.

I have several JP's including a brand new, very basic, stock GMR-15 16" barrel. My opinions on the options are based on .223 and .308 versions of JP rifles in various configurations. I agree with Trace on the heat dissipator, high cool factor, but marginal use on a 9mm. I've found negligible difference in throat wear between two JP .223 rifles, one with and one without a dissipator. But, I'm sure the next one I buy I'll fork over the money for it. The CTR upper is super cool, but I've seen no difference in performance between a CTR and the regular upper. I tried a side charging model with a rolling trigger and never cared for either. I thought I'd be faster and more efficient with the SCR, but never saw any benefit. I was ambivalent about the rolling trigger. I ended up selling that rifle. I'm debating magwell selection. If you find one that works well, please post it up. Have fun, mine is a tack driver. Very slow barrel, but a tack driver.

I can't speak to TG and WSF, but E3 is easy to obtain and cheaper than N320. I think it burns as clean or cleaner than N320 and accuracy is dead on. I use it in .40 with Blue bullets and Montana Gold, and actually prefer it over N320 for pistol. I have a little N320 left and will load up some PCC rounds for comparison. I just can't see N320 measurably outperforming E3. Lack of local N320 availability caused me to try E3 and I won't be going back.

I bet that load is on the money with the shorter barrel and lighter bullet. I imagine I'll see 135ish with a 3.9grain charge. Have you run any 147 grain bullets? I haven't had the opportunity to shoot more than a dozen rounds of 147 thru a JP and don't recall a noticeable difference. I have a old stash of 124 bullets I need to load up before making a new order.

Despite 6 straight days of 105 degree or hotter temps, I needed to chrono some loads for my new JP GMR-15, 16" barrel. Today was only 103, plus I had a little shade to work with. All the info is the average of three 10 round strings. 124 RMR bullets 3.3 grains E3 H 995 L 912 Avg 956 ES 84 SD 23 PF 118 Too slow, no recoil. 124 RMR bullets 3.5 grains E3 H 1035 L 985 Avg 1011 ES 54 SD 15 PF 125 Still slow, no recoil, slight improvement. 124 RMR bullets 3.7 grains E3 H 1068 L 993 Avg 1040 ES 35 SD 21 PF 129 better, flat shooting, but need some more juice. I had a leftover White box of WInchester 124 grain round nose. H 1289 L 1218 Avg 1265 ES 71 SD 24 PF 157 too much, sight was bouncing around, definitely not a round or PF I'd go with. I think I'l go up to 3.8-3.9 grains and see where that puts me. PF of 135-140 seems like it'd be the sweet spot. The JP functioned flawlessly, trigger was great. Perfect weight and length for me.

I like a heavier PCC rifle for the same reasons I like a heavy pistol and AR, it keeps me from over swinging on target transitions. I drive the rifle into the target much more efficiently and faster with a heavier setup and experience a much flatter shooting rifle. But, the flatter shooting is a result of my increased grip pressure due to the weight, as opposed to the increased weight alone causing a flatter shooting rifle. I shoot with a guy whose PCC setup is as light as possible. I'm all over the place with his rifle, and he says mine is like moving a club, Different strokes.... As far as recoil management goes, weight doesn't matter for me in a PCC I can't discern a noticeable difference between a light gun and heavy one when shooting the same round. Again just for me, recoil management in a 9mm PCC is more about proper stance and grip than rifle weight. Personally. I prefer a heavier gun. I think finding the right round/rifle setup that is flat shooting is more important than weight.

Get on the wait list for Dallas Pistol Club (DPC), http://dallaspistolclub.com/ it'll go much faster than the stated wait time. The closest place to you is probably Proactive Defense at I35W and FM1171. Other options are much further out, ETTS and TDSA have great set ups, probably an hour drive south from Lantana. Mission 160 is northeast of you , around an hour or so. For the OP, in addition to the USPSA matches noted earlier, DPC has steel or action pistol matches 3/4 weekends and Elm Fork range http://www.elmfork.com/ has steel/hybrid matches the 1st and 3rd Wednesdays from roughly to 6p-9p

Great info guys! OP sorry for the post derailment.

I watched that video before I ordered and is why I'm leery about trying to develop my own load. I don't want to be the new JP barrel squib king. I read the JP pdf on the website, but was hoping for a bit more info. Your response is exactly what I needed, I appreciate it! I have a 1000 rounds of 124gr that have been gathering dust for a year, so that's excellent news. I've shot several different PCC makes and loads, and I can't feel any noticeable difference in recoil (like shooting a .22) or performance.

What ammo are you running for the JP? I have one on order and there seems to be a wide variety of loads being used. Any recommendations are appreciated!

Welcome, If you want to shoot and evaluate an Atlas, let me know. I shoot at Dallas Pistol Club, and several other locations in DFW.

Blue bullet 180 grain OAL 1.185 per Atlas recommendation Powder E3. 4.1 grains, 170 PF Winchester primers Atlas Titan 5" KKM barrel Just bought a 8 pound jug of E3 after comparing E3 and N320. I like N320, but I can load less powder, get same consistency (if not better) and see no recoil difference between N320 and E3. Less cost and no issue obtaining E3 locally made the decision easy for me. Blue bullets are great, if money was no object I'd load Montana Gold 180. MG yield 1-2" at 25y, the blue bullets get me 3 -4" groups at 25y. Plenty good for this game.

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Use pro grip or something similar. I put it on the back(outside) on my right hand and on the inside of my left (support) hand. You can really grind down as it makes hand on hand contact much less slick. I now run a 2011 with a PT-Evo grip and find I don't need any added grip stuff on the actual grip area like I did with my Glocks. I ran skateboard tape and Si Carbide on my Glock grips and still used progrip all over my hands to enhance the grip.

FWIW, I'm new to reloading with the 650 as well. I had the same issue initially. Based on some forum advice here and elsewhere, I started doing this process every time before loading, even if I didn't make a powder charge change. 10-15 powder drops, then another 5 drops for weight verification, then I start the reloading process. My SD went from 40-50 down to single digits consistently. I think it's a combination of developing a smooth stroke and having the powder settle in. I typically load 100, gauge all, check OAL, then load another 100. I'll check 2-3 rounds per 100 for powder charge weight consistency. It's helped dramatically. Also, as noted before brass consistency can make a big difference. I look for 170 PF chrono to make sure I'm good

New to reloading, second time out to chrono today. 3 ten round strings 1.185 OAL Blue bullets 180 gr, 4.2 grains E3, 965 V ES 37, SD 10 Montana Gold 180 gr, 4.6 grains E3, 955 V, ES 31, SD 12 My load consistency improved greatly over the first time out. Need to redo my Precision Delta 180. Have some different plated bullets on the way. The MG's are very accurate.

Trace, I just ran these out of my new Titan, 5" KKM barrel, two 10 round strings, 1.185 OAL, E3 powder. 200 Montana Gold CMJ 3.8 gr 171PF 200 Precision Delta FMJ 3.8, 170PF 180 MG and 180 PD JHP at 4.2 were 172 PF. The 180 MG were incredibly accurate. 1.5" group at 25y. Probably not worth the additional cost unless I was shooting a major match, which is far away for me. Overall, I preferred the recoil of the PD 200, but we're talking a very slight noticeable difference, at least for me. The PD 200's were the least accurate. However, I'd be completely satisfied with either bullet in 180 or 200. I loaded up some Blue Bullets 180/200 in a ladder and will shoot those next week.

Charlie, I would recommend really taking a look at the specific demographics you're targeting. Shooting isn't different from any other endeavor, but I would venture a strong guess that although many believe it is, it's not. You can't take a scatter gun approach to promoting anything and expect to be successful. Look at any successful ad campaign for a non mainstream product. Social media is critical in reaching targeted audiences. Target the demographics who historically haven't been exposed to shooting, women, kids and other groups. The shoot for the cure idea mentioned above is perfect. Women want to support that event and are exposed to shooting in a supportive environment. Target veteran groups who may have a strong affinity for shooting, but maybe time, career and/or lack of confidence with their shooting ability prevents them from taking the first step out. Any type of advertised "practice" that is geared to one group may reap results over an event that is open to everyone. A semi closed environment promotes camaraderie and provides a safe, non threatening avenue to overcome the intimidation that many have about firearms. Will everyone who participates wind up being a shooter, absolutely not. When my son started competing in high school shotgun-skeet/trap and sporting clays several years ago, participation was minimal. The parent organization did a tremendous job targeting kids in the 9-12 grade level via social media, facebook, instagram, twitter etc. Loaner guns and equipment were provided for introductory exposure. Ranges offered discounts for new and newer shooters. Now, the competitions fill up months in advance with wait lists. The two ranges that offered discounts to skeet shooters were maybe 1/4 full during the week and busy but not swamped on the weekends. Now, good luck getting range time during the weekday and you have to make reservations for a field on the weekend. FWIW