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  1. WSB language that says 'Default start position with toes on X's" covers both location and position. "Toes on X's" allows any body position as long as the toes are on the X's.
  2. I have seen one that was unable to be cleared. In the end they bagged the gun and gave it to one of the gunsmith/builder shooters to be taken to his shop and repaired. As I recall they blocked the hammer so that if it did fall it would be unable to contact the firing pin and then placed it in the builders vehicle.
  3. I would assess 2 procedurals. One for: 9.4.5.1 Extra shots (i.e. shots fired in excess of the number specified in a component string or stage), will each incur one procedural penalty. Additionally, during scoring, no more than the specified number and highest scoring hits will be awarded. One for : 9.4.5.3 Stacked shots (i.e. obviously shooting more than the required rounds on a target(s) while shooting other target(s) with fewer shots than specified in any string), will incur one procedural penalty per target insufficiently engaged in any string. This penalty will not be applied if the written stage briefing specifically authorizes stacked shots. 10.2.2.1 Procedural penalties for failure to comply with stage procedures do not apply to the number of shots fired. Penalties for firing insufficient or additional shots are addressed in other rules and must not be penalized under the provisions of 10.2.2.
  4. 8.6.4 In the event that inadvertent contact from the Range Officer or another external influence has interfered with the competitor during a course of fire, the Range Officer may offer the competitor a reshoot of the course of fire. A key words here are inadvertent and may. I will intentionally and physically stop you from breaking the 180. If that gun is coming around towards me or the gallery AND you are not trying to engage a target, I will do my part to stop you before you can bring the gun around that far. I will not offer a reshoot.
  5. A key part to me on the finger in the trigger is where is the gun pointed? Up at eye level and seeking targets? Hard to say not aiming at or engaging targets. Down below eye level as they move from one array to the next? Not aiming or seeking, looks and sounds like moving? Newer shooters tend to keep the gun up at eye level as they move through the stage and most are good about keeping their finger off the trigger until they get on the target but it is a gray area. It is a judgment call on the RO's part. As to some of the other issues raised in this thread, I am a believer in issuing warnings before the shooter can DQ themselves if possible. It is usually the newer shooter where the adrenalin rush of shooting the stage has scrambled their brain cells. On some of these shooters I can see they are on an adrenalin high so I take the time to tell them to "take a DEEEEEP BREEEAATH and relax" "Now while facing down range slowly ULASC, ICHDH". This seems to reset their brains to a situational and safety attitude.
  6. I agree that it can be a tough call. When the shot is horizontal the only real option for a DQ is if they are moving and it is obvious that they are not engaging targets. ie they are looking one way as they travel and the gun is trailing to keep it down range when the shot goes off. In the OP case if the shot was in the area of the target it could be argued that they were shooting at it. If on the other hand it was well below and to the side of the target AND hitting within the 10' distance it would be a much more difficult argument for the shooter to say I planned the shot.
  7. 10.4.2 A shot which strikes the ground within 10 feet of the competitor, except when shooting at a paper target closer than 10 feet to the competitor. Emphasis mine Once you pull off the target the 10.4.2 rule comes into play
  8. I would have to see it but as described I would look at a 10.4.2 DQ. It sounds like he was making the transition from one side of the wall to the other and had his finger on the trigger causing a ND into the ground within 10 feet of himself. If I observed him coming off the target and transitioning the gun towards the wall I would be hard pressed to call it firing a shot at a legitimate target..
  9. A lot depends on what is on the other side. If it is just a simple door then it tends to stay open. If there are targets immediately available off to the side I will commonly see shooters practice their entry.
  10. I would agree back to front. It looks like fuzz on the front of the target rather than on the back. The actual target would be much more noticeable as to how the bullet traveled. As to the RO focus, they watch everything in their area of attention. Movement is more a gun handling and muzzle control focus. Shooting targets is a trigger finger, muzzle control and partial target focus if the target is aligned with the shooter and RO. If the shooter is shooting around a corner then a quick glance at the feet to ensure they are not outside the shooting area as they engage the targets. RO'ing is like driving. You have an area you need to concentrate on but you cannot become so fixated on that one area that you miss what is going on around you.
  11. I worked a stage with two other RO's for a total of 3. One ran the clipboard the other two did the scoring. We had left side, right side and the end of the range. We started on the end with RO 1 (timer RO). We then moved to the up-range RO (RO 2) for the targets on the right side while RO 1 moved to the left side of the stage. This way things moved quickly and the squads all had designated areas that they taped and reset steel on. Generally speaking the taping and resetting was done before the scoring RO (RO 3) finished with the paperwork and signatures. So we would not have saved any time scoring prior to the last shot being fired. If you make a plan and communicate it to the shooters as part of the stage briefing things do not need to get bogged down, and the scoring RO was down range until the last shot was fired so scoring could and should not have started until the "Range is Clear" Command was given anyways.
  12. Saw one where they went sub because they ordered 124 grain bullets but got shipped 115 grainers. They did not check the box or weight them prior to loading them up. Got to chrono and was told they weighed 115. He gave them another one to verify it and was shocked to find out they actually were 115's.
  13. One does need to differentiate between a standing reload by force and one by choice. I can set up a course that has 14 available targets in the middle of a stage that runs 100 feet from front to back. You can shoot them all standing in one spot or you can shoot them on the move and reload on the move. The only way you are going to get the last target or two is to get to the front of the stage for the ones hidden behind the wall. So the stage is legal even if all but a few targets are available from one view because you are not being forced to reload while standing in one spot. Throw in a No Shoot or two to break up the view of a couple of targets as you transition the 100 feet and no one can say it is illegal because of the one view for 14 of the 16 targets.
  14. Shooting production your only choice is 8.1.2.2 for a handgun ready condition, so DQ under 10.5.3.4 for having a loaded chamber with no safety and hammer back. The difference between 10.5.3.4 and 10.5.11 (holstered) is one is off body and the other is holstered. So a holstered start that would DQ you under 10.5.11 would always DQ you under the same conditions off body.
  15. I went into a local gun store and told them I was looking for a project .45. Bought a lightly used SA Loaded for $500 and paid a local gun smith to trick it out a bit over $300. I now have a very good SS gun for $800 that would have cost me $1,200 to $1,500 new.
  16. I would have to see the holster and its location. He has a 3 foot radius from his feet for holstering and unholstering. So if he can demonstrate good technique with an unloaded gun in the safety area, I would let it go. I have seen several shooters use concealment holsters for competition who are good about keeping the gun tight to their body during the draw and when holstering. It is how they train so they do not want to change to a different holster just for occasional competition.
  17. If he was the first shooter then you got an instant education on the target conditions. If this happened 5 or 6 shooters out then you dropped the ball, unless you were the last squad. I could justify replacing the target but as the last squad I would be inclined to say let's not waste a new target unless I knew we would have this issue with all of the squad blowing stickers off.
  18. I vote for a reshoot only because it is impossible to determine the total number of misses. We have 3 on the hard cover and a bunch of tape blown off making impossible to determine if the shooter hit it twice and had a complete Mike or even hit it once taking off the tape and two shots completely missing the target. We cannot make a definitive call so reshoot it is and it looks like the reshoot gods balanced things out.
  19. I do not have a problem with expecting and enforcing 100% rules compliance for safety. It is a little much to expect and enforce 100% compliance with stage design. This is where we learn what went wrong and what we can do better. At Level II and up non compliance will be either a Forbidden Action, a stage modification, or getting the stage tossed. The F/A or stage modification might not get it 100% into compliance but it will be closer and safer, and we learn from it. We have all seen or heard about stages getting tossed at Nationals because someone found a scoring/stage issue after multiple shooters have already completed the stage. The one that comes to mind is a swinger that was totally hidden at rest but very available when moving that was not scored as a disappearing target. At level I we do the best we can and use it as a learning experience for future stage designs. If we got into the habit of tossing EVERY stage that was not 100% in compliance we would start ticking off all of the shooters who came for a match only to see a chunk of it thrown out and maybe see only 2 or 3 totally compliant stages being shot and scored. We do our best to critique the stages during setup but this is also a time for some of the newer members to get some design experience. We as clubs will not grow if we always have the same 2 or 3 people design all of the stages. Fresh blood and fresh designs keep things interesting but we cannot expect perfection the first couple of times they design a stage.
  20. If the shooters physically moved the base of the wall, we have a problem. If they pushed the top to lean a bit more then it is stage construction. Either brace the wall so it cannot be pushed out of position, or place a fault line in front of it so that the wall is off limits. It is a case of learning from our mistakes and trying to not repeat them.
  21. Without a front fault line the wall becomes the fault line. Otherwise how would anyone know how far forward they can stand? .It can be a pain but set up a front fault line that is behind the concrete stands and the walls and stands become off limits.
  22. Talk to the other clubs about talent. Most clubs have people who can weld or are real handy with a hammer and nails/ Screwgun and screws. Supply the materials and they will build the props or at least provide the tools and experience to assist you in building your own. We have a couple of trailers we use for prop storage. When we shoot outdoors the trailers hold most everything we need. In the late fall into the early spring we bring a trailer back to our indoor range and move walls,movers,props,etc. inside. There would be some cost associated with building a trailer, but it could be a handy way to store props safely for the new club.
  23. I agree with Moto. If all is not visible to everyone at rest then it becomes a disappearing target. Being as the upper A is 1/3 of the head and the lowest portion of the upper A is 1/2 of the total height (there is a 2.5 CM B zone above the A), making a majority of the head available makes it virtually impossible for the HC or NS to restrict view of the A zone to even the shortest of shooters. The shooters most impacted will be the tallest ones who might have a bit of the C zone available below the head.
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