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ask around, dude. It's real. you just work on the shooting too much and the draw not enough, that's all. Matt McLearn claims .60 second draw and hit average, with a Limited rig, and .80 second CONCEALED.

actually, you can call me John Davis, and ask Hackathorn, Wilson, Dalton, or Fowler about my draw speed. :-)

with a speed rig and hands at sides, warmed up, I used to average under .65 second, for All rds in the C or better at 10 yds, and over half in the A. I never could slow down enough to keep them in the A, enough to make up for the loss in time, anyway. Nobody shoots Leatherslaps anymore, or you'd know that I'm right. :-) Hell, Robbie claimed .80 second averages, in the A at 10 yds, from surrender start and with a limited rig, about 10 years ago. Where you guys been?

what a hokey load of bull. You can't grab the spare mag any faster than you can dump the empty mag, so why bother with such baloney?

I am not sure how you are replicating the recoil of a full power .45 with an alloy framed 9mm. I shot an alloy framed single stack .45 at the nationals last year and I felt that the pistol was just as controllable as any steel gun. It swung alot better too. I am curious as to how you came to this conclusion, because I am thinking about building more alloy framed guns. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Simple physics. If a gun is shorter and weighs 2/3rds as much, it has to recoil 50% more. Nobody but you "thinks" alloy frames are as controlable as steel ones, dude, with the same ammo, beyond about 7 yds, in .45. :-)

I''m serious about gunhandling, so I am not about to draw the gun in a different way, just for a silly match. Also, when you swap hands, it is very easy to "bump on" the safety. I don't carry with an ambi safety, so I don't shoot matches with one.

I ran sub 19 sec Cooper's all the time, with a reload and the 6 ft wall, back in the 70's, and the underneath was 18", not 3 ft, ferchrissakes. You go thru almost on your belly, or you'd knock off 1 or more 2x4's, 5 second penalty each.

el prez is NOT 3 ft between targets, it's 3 YARDS between targets, and yes, that DOES slow you down.

there is no reason in the world why your splits should be as fast as just a repeat hit on the same target. Nothing about the transition makes your finger faster on the trigger. If this is the case, your repeat hits are VERY slow indeed.

How about doing it with a real ccw gun, and with a shirt or a FASTENED coat, you know, like it was for real street concealment? How about with 90 and 180 degree pivots, both to left and right, so that you can't cheat and get your body "locked onto" the target?

there's no "array" in a draw and hit. there's one target, and one shot. .80 second is getting with it, but with a speed rig, facing the target, and hands at sides start, a man who works at it can average under .70 second, for A's at 10 yds. I could average under .65 when I was warmed up ,but I'd get half of the hits in the C zone, some in the D. I could keep them in the A at 5 yds, tho, and that's all I really cared about. What mattered a lot more to me was getting A's at 10 ft, in .90 second, from underneath a shirt. :-)

there's the issue of saving at least 1/3rd of the cost of practice ammo. There's not having to retreive and clean brass and reload. Well worth it to me. I practice with an alloy framed 9mm and it is every bit as "hard" to handle as 170 factor .45 loads in a steel Gov't model. I did all the bullet casting and reloading I could stand. Nowadays, reloading is strictly to get hunting or defensive ammo that I can't get in any other way.

A great many people "think" 200 grs at 850 fps is "hot". I aint one of them. Try 230 grs at 900 fps in a lw Commander, and see if you can still see the sight "lift". :-)

with a browning high power, 1.8 reloads are freaking fast, with no mag well funnedl. The top end of the mag is very "square" and so is the mag well.. The slightest rotation of the mag or the gun will result in one or more of the corners" catching" If you want 1.2 second reloads, it will require a 1911 and a mag well funnel. If you want them even faster, I hear that the double stack 1911's are faster than single stacks, but I have no idea why that would be so, and I sure aint buying one to find out.

Mostly it's a result of using wussy loads and/or having a compensator with the front sight on the comp. :-)

Your trigger is probably too long for your finger, and/or you are using an arched housing when you need a flat one.

I tell myself,before each stage, or each longer range,slower type of shot. :"I dont want to come close, I want to CENTER it". Helps me quite a bit, as long as I can stay focused on it.

I"d see an optometrist, if I were you, and have him make you 2-3 pairs of shooing glasses,with different ranges of focus. I'd also start using electronic muffs, so you aren't wondering "was that the beep"? I'd get a dovetail front sight, and I'd experiment with different widths and heights of front sight. All this is more for the shooter over age 40 than for the young bucks. I used to aim as fast as I could point. Then I discovered that aiming was costing me .25 second, until I got a new pair of glasses.

One of the worst things you can do is have a woman you care about watching you shoot a match. It's usually almost suicidal,in fact. I've had my 1911 feal about as "familiar" as a forceps on occasion. i"ve had the shakes so bad that I could barely load my mags. Sometimes, in spite of all that, I still shot A class scores, but usually only if the ranges were inside 15 yds. I always had real trouble keeping all my shots on the 50 yd targets, because I emphasized speed too much at 10 yds and less in my practice, and more importantly, in my thinking. I just didn't care if I could hit at 50 yds or not. Today, I don't care if I can hit at 25 yds or not, cause I know that when it's for real, the thing to do at 25 yds is move to cover. Without ear protection, and with realistic CCW gear, all this longer range stuff goes right out the window.

Actually, the original spacing for the El Prez was 3 yds, edge to edge of the targets, and yes, it does slow you down quite noticably as vs 1 yd between the targets. Just like 10 yds slows you down, as vs 7 yds, or causes you to drop a few pts if you dont slow down. A 180 degree pivot should not add more than .20 second to your draw. From concealment, it adds almost nothing, beccause by the time you can clear the garment, you can be turned around.

For raw speed shooting, I always just imagine the targets shooting at me. :-) It's not helpful beyond about 5 yds, tho. You have a tendency to prefer fast c's over slightly slower A's. That's probably realistic for combat, but it doesn't win matches.

I was shooting 20,000 rds a year, each, 22 Colt unit and .45's, and discovered that once you are in A class, the .22 is HURTING you,not helping anymore. You have to get thoroughly accustomed to the bounce and blast of your centerfire load. In addition, do your practicing, right before the match, with the targets about 50% further away than the match calls for, and with loads about 20% hotter than your match loads. Then back off to match ammo for a short session, right before the match. On match day, the targets will appear enough "easier" to see to it that your adrenalin-dump doesn't pull you out into the C zone.

You have to break down your draw into segments. I posted this once before, and somebody deleted it. Somebody who doesn't want the REAL answer being put out, perhaps? There's your reaction time, you hand to gun time, the time to get the gun clear of the holster, the time to both hands on the gun, the time to full extention, the time to the shot's breaking. You can work on this with wax ammo,without blowing off your leg. Find out where you are losing the most time, and work on that segment, then move on to the next slowest, etc. Work with the target are arm's length. at first. Then see how much you have to slow down to hit the A zone at 10 ft, 20 ft, 30 ft, etc.

what's "realistic" about putting 20 rds into one enemy, before addressing the other? I'd be firing at most 2 rds at the first guy, before getting some lead into attacker number 2.

saving .3 second on your reload won't make up for hauling around a pointless extra 30-40 lbs, beyond your best wt (which is about 160 lbs for most men). Many guys are a full 1 second slower to cover 10 yds of movement than other men. If assault courses are your thing, running dashes will do a lot more for your times than will tinkering with the gun. I won a lot of assault courses with footwork, not gun technique