TonytheTiger

Yeah I've got a notebook full of sub moa groups shot at 100 and 200 yards with a 1-6x scope. With the lower magnification scopes I find it's critical to have an aiming point color that contrasts with both the reticle and the background and is sized to work with your reticle thickness. If your reticle entirely covers your bullseye you're not going to shoot as well. With high magnification scopes none of this matters much because you can see details so much better.

If you want a cool new scope go for it, no one will talk you out of it. But you probably won't get anyone to say that a great 1-8x will measurably increase your scores over a great 1-6x at typical 3 gun distances with the generously sized targets we shoot.

I've tested a bolt gun against a gas gun pretty extensively off of barricades, tires, rocks, barrels, chains, you name it. Even though both guns had similar mechanical accuracy potential there was absolutely no comparison between the two when it comes to making hits off of random wobbly props. The trigger and lock time of a bolt gun is a huge advantage, they are easier to get balanced how you want and they don't try to dip forward off a barricade when shooting free recoil. Spotting hits/misses is also way easier with the single recoil impulse. If only shooting from prone the gap closes quite a bit. You can certainly compete with a gas gun but if you ever get to run it back to back against a well tuned bolt you won't ever want to.

You need two different uppers Trace, one for 3 gun and another for longer ranges. Trying to make one rifle do it all is a losing game. At the very least two different optics setups in QD mounts.

8+1 is a pretty standard start condition for limited and practical, or whatever it's called now. But being able to fit 12 in the tube is a big deal and opens up stage plans immensely. There's nothing worse than unavoidable standing reloads in front of an 11 target array.

You're right, it has been asked. None of the other threads have a conclusive answer and neither will this one, because it doesn't matter at all.

MK Machining makes one for the Sig Tango 1-6 that fits great, but its not 3 gun durable, I broke two. Now I'm using the Switchview. Just tell them its for a C3 and they'll send you a longer screw for it.

Excellent.

From experience? If so, any brakes you would compare it to?

Cool, good to see a purpose built comp finally.

The Doodie version of this thread is much better...

No but I've been thinking I need to build another rifle just to try one out.

Welcome aboard. Same user name on the Hide?

Health concerns? Absolutely. If one of them coated bullets hits you it's gonna hurt like hell.

There's a few guys on Snipershide that have shot it. Kinda defeats the purpose of the round though, it's a lower BC bullet and a hot 223 load with a better bullet matches or exceeds it.

I'm not old enough to know what the "album" part means but the rest of that sounds great.

I'm pretty sure the real problem is that people in general are lazy. And since you can't have matches without people, your bound to run into those generally lazy specimens regularly. That said, the majority of shooters in my area are great.

All my 3 gun scopes have had a BDC reticle. When I set up a new scope I play with zero distance in Strelok to get my established load fairly close to the BDC without having any obnoxious amounts of hold under between 80-170 yards, then I go out back, zero at that distance and then shoot between 300 and 550 yards to verify that things are doing what they should. Once it's all dialed in its pretty easy to shoot out to 500 in a match even if the subtensions don't line up exactly. You'll notice that even though my 400 yard hash equates to 423 here, I would still hit the top edge of a 10" plate at 400. For the target sizes we use in 3 gun it's really not as complicated as we like to make it.

I just went and checked on Strelok, it's literally the same generic BDC formula that everyone else uses. Very close to the Razor, VX-6, Swaro, P4XI, Strike Eagle etc. I use a light 55gr load out to 150-200ish and a hot 62gr load when I need more oomph. The 62gr load just happens to work great with the BDC but that's by happenstance, trying to line things up is very overrated.

No you probably won't, the C3 isn't very common. It's entirely based on marketing failure and lack of brand recognition, not in any way because of a fault of the scope.

I'm with you. Not so much on length but on weight. My locals are more hoser than long range but I actually feel a heavier gun allows me to spray bullets a lot faster than a light gun will help me transition. But I still prefer a compact gun, they just end up being heavier than they look.

? FWIW I was never allowed to play Doom, so these stages could really be the missing piece of my childhood.

I breifly considered having him spin me a left twist AR barrel just to try it, but then I remembered I have lower hanging fruit to work on...

Actually a buddy of mine was running a left twist barrel on his PRS rifle for a while. He said it twisted into his body where it was easier to mitigate rather than away from it. His wind calls were different than his teammates though so he pulled the plug on his left twist experiment.

Are you running matches in Wisconsin somewhere Tim?