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Thanks for all the suggestions folks, I just wanted to post a reply so folks don't think I
forgot about them, going to check out the revo real good and load up some lead bullets with
some different powders, let you know how I make out.
I did chrono some jacked and lead loads the other night, all jacked (and plated) loads spun
thru fine, lead loads hung up once in awhile but I only shot 24 or so lead rnds and was
much more interested in chrono results than gun function.
Are you buying your cast slugs or making your own? When I size cast in one of my RCBS sizers I sometimes have the same problem, the reason is, they are pushed into the die base first and you can get a little bit of lead pushed forward of the front driving band doing this, if I used my star sizer & I do use it alot, then I don't have this problem because they go in nose first and are pushed out the bottom so any lead from the front driving band would be pushed rearward in sizing. They always gauge & chamber fine using the star machine.
Dick
wear your seat belt, that way you don't have to walk back to the wreck!
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Mikes right about the slight difference in reloading the 610, you do, on occasion miss a reload, not by much. With the 625, of which I have several, its almost impossible to miss the reload. If IPSC gets in your blood, go with the 625 or 25-2.Syme, I have 627s in both .38 Super and .357 and like them both. My kid will probably shoot the Super when we head back out to Bud Bond's Rocky Mountain ICORE match next spring, I'll have to decide whether to shoot the .357 (with Short Colts) or whether I want to take on ol' Six Shot in the (appropriately enough) 6-shot subdivision, using my 625 and those poofer ICORE loads!Y'know, if you're already loading for .40, that 610 idea might be a really good option for you. The only possible disadvantage is a very slight reduction in potential reload speed, but I do mean very slight. This is not a gun I have ever owned, but I believe the word on the street is for IPSC you want to find a 5" model, rather than the more common 4" or 6.5"--others with 610s can chime in on that.
Anyway, great to see another guy gearing up for Revo!
Mike
Mike, wasn't going to make it back to Bud's match next year because of a return trip to Africa, BUT, it looks like its falling through so hope to see you & Sam in may, 06. You're going to be sorry you didn't make it to Area II. I know Carden & Burkholder would call you out! Sorry for the drift!
Dick
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I understand people have different theories on this, but I believe very firmly that auto-indexing progressive machines (e.g. SDB, 650, 1050) are safer than those that do not auto-index (e.g. 550). You gotta try pretty hard to double-charge a round with a machine that rotates the shell out from under the powder measure on each and every upstroke! (Sorry, mcb.....sure glad you're OK.)
Mike
Ditto what Mike says, been loading on both SD and 650 for quite a few years and haven't doubled or squibed a load yet (that sound is me knocking on wood)
And I have to confirm about the unfluted cylinder, I had a fiasco with S&W on a fluted 610
4-5 years ago, supposedly I got the last fluted cylinder
Now that's not to say you couldn't run a ball endmill down the side to get close to original.
Sorry you had the DC and glad no one was hurt.
10mmDave,
Just bought a spare fluted cylinder for my 610 today, bought a spare barrel also, just to have on hand. Dick
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Does anybody here ever work??
Looks like Jerry is in a "couples" squad.....Dan, Six Shot, John,.....Any thought on putting togeter a revo squad ??
Talking to Babera in E-Mail and If you want Myself and Stev and Carol would like it if we could put a squad together a revos + 1 bottom feeder (CK My Wife shoots open) or something like that !
Mike, Too bad your not goigg to make it! It was fun shoothing w/you and watching Sam...
OBTW pass on congrats on all the press he is getting.....Sandwich ?
Any interest in putting together a squad ????
Tom F. When are you getting home ??
Cheers
Hello to all,
Myself, Steve (Duck) & Kal are all for a revolver squad. Lets do it!
Dick A48544
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It's ready to "scream" and "belch some fire" and so am I.
The last time I screamed and belched fire was when I ate bad mexican food....
Though you'll have to give us a heads up on how it went
He can scream and belch fire after eating some of the Good Mexican food down here, I'll even recommend a couple resturants to go to...
Hey, I want to know about the good mexican resturants too! Me, Duck & Kal are GM's when it comes to mexican food. Thanks
Dick, A48544
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Used the gold bead one time in a IPSC match, never again! At least for old eyes, getting on target on brown paper with a gold bead sight is really tough, the sight fades into the target. Shooting steel is different. A good SDM fiber optic (green) is muuuuuch better!
Dick
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I'm betting the gap closes faster than we might think!
Dick fasten your seat belt, that way you don't have to walk back to the wreck!
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There are a lot of great shooters who are truly nice guys, Bud Bond is one of those! Like Mike said, you really have to see his first shot from the draw, its FAST!
I've shot in 2 ICORE matches so far, both in Colorado and Bud has been the mover & shaker behind these matches, works his tail off all day and then shoots like a wild man when he's up. Mike Carmoney did beat Bud in the sudden death shoot off, that doesn't happen very often, I think Mike threatened to sue if he lost! Ha!
At the annual all steel match in Dubois, Wyoming, Bud entered the Open class with his revolver, shooting against full blown race guns no less. Not only did he win, he did it easily. He doesn't brag, just lets his shooting do the talking, all the while making friends & helping anyone he can. Great Guy.
Dick
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As usually lot of great info. Thanks guys. I will have to give a few of these bullet manufactures a try.
How do you guys like lead bullet in you double action revolvers. I had bought a bunch of re-manufactured 38 Special 158 grain lead SWC for my Ruger Blackhawk 357. They were not real accurate and leaded up the cylinder end of the barrel real bad. I have had to use and old 410 brush to get the lead out.
Is there ways to reduce the leading? Do the larger calibers like 40 and 45 have less of a problem with leading. I like the idea of using the less expensive lead bullets but given my previous experience in my Blackhawk I and apprehensive to try.
Thanks again
mcb
I shoot a 205 Gr. RN cast out of my 610 & it works great. I make them using a Magma mold but you can buy them from Cheycast bullets in Cheyenne, Wyoming. My 610 has the 6 1/2" barrel & I use 3.7 grs. of WST, easily making PF, haven't cronographed it in my 4" gun but it would probably get there too.
I use wheelweight alloy to make them, never a leading problem. Some of the lead SWC stuff is swaged, not cast and it can lead, also some (most) commerical cast is extremely hard & if your load is mild the bullet might not "slug up" to get a good gas seal, causing gas cutting just forward of the forcing cone.
Dick A48544
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As usually lot of great info. Thanks guys. I will have to give a few of these bullet manufactures a try.
How do you guys like lead bullet in you double action revolvers. I had bought a bunch of re-manufactured 38 Special 158 grain lead SWC for my Ruger Blackhawk 357. They were not real accurate and leaded up the cylinder end of the barrel real bad. I have had to use and old 410 brush to get the lead out.
Is there ways to reduce the leading? Do the larger calibers like 40 and 45 have less of a problem with leading. I like the idea of using the less expensive lead bullets but given my previous experience in my Blackhawk I and apprehensive to try.
Thanks again
mcb
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Gary, you're absolutely right--in order for Sammy to become truly successful at this wheelgun game, he's gotta work to develop that special muscle just above the beltline that helps tip the moonclip holders out for fast access.
If you carefully inspect this photo depicting a group of fairly accomplished revolver shooters, you'll see what I mean:
Yup, somma dem boys been gittin their fair share of the taters....
Waltermitty,
Being from Idaho and weighing 280 lbs. I can tell you a few things about taters! And my buddy Duck who goes about 325 lbs. knows even more. Carmoney will get to see Duck at Area 5 this weekend, my other Idaho buddys will also be there.
Good luck to all, oh ya, we also like pork chops! Dick
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Hop,
You must have started with the gun in your hands! 2.60 seconds is staying pretty busy!
I should have moved up this month, 2 of my classifiers didn't seem to make it to Sedro in time. I had one in Jackson Hole tht was in the 70's, can't remember for sure & the other at the Idaho State Championships that went 87%, it was 03-07, for some reason I seem to do better on the 1-1-1-1 type classifiers that the double taps, anyone else notice this. I had one of them a year ago that was 102% but it got tossed because one shooter, after bombing the stage announced that one of the no-shoots was to high, so it got tossed for everyone, BIG MOUTH, bottom shooter anyway.
Dick
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Well seems like the elusive "M" card is still that. (I told you Carmoney)
I missed a 100% on 6 chickens last weekend by 3/8 of an inch.....
Young Master Walsh has moved up the rankings now to 2nd highest master.
Carmoney gained a little too !!!!
D. Carden and I just barely made improvements but maybe one day we can get in there with Cliff.
Maybe next month......
Hope everyone is doing good out there,Get out and run them guns.
HOP
Lets Hear it.....Who else moved up, changed Classes Ect.
Edited to add.....
Looks like Tom went up a little, and Keith moved up a few spots on the TOP 20 list.
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Spook,
Fantastic job, I was amazed at some of your stage wins against Jerry. Actually all 4 of the top revolver shooters really got it on!
There are 6 goods reasons why nobody would want to mess with any of these guys. Also congratulations to Cliff, Patrick & Lisa, everyone was pulling for each of you. Will be interesting in 3 years to see Cliff & Spook going head to head again, could be a different outcome.
Dick
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Bob,
You're right, there are several ways to get the lead out, one mentioned earlier on this thread was using the foul out machine, I have one but have never used it to remove lead but I'm sure it works just as good as they do on jacketed fouling. I still believe the biggest problem with using cast bullets is not understanding the hardness/velocity matchup, most commercial cast bullets are quite hard & if a new shooter shoots them at a slow velocity where the bullet doesn't "slug up" to fit the bore correctly, he will look in side, see the gas cutting and start cussing because his barrel is leaded.
One of the really great things about cast bullets is you can size them however you choose, to get a proper fit in YOUR gun. I recently took a 120 gr. truncated bullet designed for a 9mm & sized some .355" then .356" & finally some at .358' and shot them in one of my 357's. The .358's shot best, no surprise here, just shows you that you can match your slugs to your barrel. Jacketed bullets are: shootum as you seeum!
At the same time we are blessed to have so many great jacketed bullets avail-able for those that don't cast. 40 years ago there were very few decent jacketed handgun bullets that worked on game, I shot thousands of the old Speer 3/4 jacket slugs back then, the nose would shear off and the back penetrated pretty good. Quite a few Armadillos learned to hate this bullet! Dick
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I have also used jacketed & cast in the same match many times, when we shoot at Jackson Hole, Wyoming the range faces to the East & the first stage you can get smoke from the lube with cast so I always start out using Berry plated loads on stage one & then normally finish the match with cast. My 610 will shoot 1" groups after the match at 15 yds everytime I mix the bullets this way.
Its a given that you must have a smooth barrel, it can't be any other way! Just run a few hundred jacketed through a new barrel and you should be fine, and no I don't agree with mixing loads, I just mention the fact that sometimes for me its necessary when shooting early in the morning when facing to the east.
As I see it there are only 2 draw backs to shooting cast, your gun gets dirty faster, and you have to deal with a small amount of smoke assuming you are using the correct lube. Outside of the race guns with comps mounted I see more advantages to using cast than disadvantages.
More velocity with less powder, bullets cost less, much less if you cast your own. Easier on the gun. I read an old shooting times magazine article once showing the crown of 2 identical guns, one shooting 5000 cast & the other shooting 5000 jacketed, you didn't need a microscope to see the muzzle wear in the jacketed gun, it was very noticeably.
The idea of using steel wool came from former world champion, Ross Seyfried, its works slick, I do add a little WD40 on the wool, never any damage to the bore.
Dick
Dick
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I've made cast bullets for almost 40 years & I'm still learning. Its amazing some of the voodoo you read & hear about them. I guess the shortest answer I can give is, don't shoot a soft bullet fast or a hard bullet slow, size the bullet to the correct diameter and shoot them at a velocity that your gun likes.
I use them for competition and for hunting, throughout the US & also in Africa & they always work if you've matched the bullet/load to the application at hand. As far as cleanup, a few jacketed rounds will work, or try some 0000 steel wool on a cleaning brush. The gun will get dirty faster because of the lube, try differnt brands to find out which is best. I use LBT lube for my high velocity hunting loads & the hard lube from Ballisticast for my competition ammo. Hope this helps.
Dick Thompson
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Yes, if price is fair.
I have a couple of about everything in the 610, 627, 625 & 25-2 but you can't have to many, if its set up to race without spending additional bucks to get it where all of us seem to be agreeing it should be, I'm in.
Dick Thompson
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I'm in, shooting a 610 in major, two of my pals are also in, Kal shooting a 625 in major & the DUCK shooting another 610, also major. We are bringing along DIGGER & Matt, but they don't count cause they both shoot a bottom feeder. All from Soda Springs, Idaho.
See ya there!
Dick Thompson
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the other memphis maifa will be there!!
lynn
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I am just getting started with reloading and have picked up my first can of Masterblaster's 180gr .40 cal for all the reasons that sasquatch listed. It's a very popular bullet locally and Tom is very helpful to newbies like me.
splashdown
Anyone out there moly coating their own cast bullets, I've done lots of jacketed but would like to know how to do my cast pistol bullets. Thanks,
Six Shot
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Just got out of bed after an 8 1/2 hr. drive back to Idaho from the Rocky Mountain Regional Championships in Colorado. The 4 of us had a great time! I counted shooters from 11 states, 50 shooters overall, lots of friendly competitors in all 3 classes & prizes for everyone. Bud Bond & all the crew over there does a great job. This was our second ever ICORE match but won't be our last.
The sudden death shoot off was great fun, Mike Carmoney won the limited shoot off & Bud Bond won the open shoot off, then, in a great matchup Mike & Bud went head to head with Mike winning and son Sam cheering him on. Congratulations to all. Watch out for Sam in 2-3 years, he's a great young revolver shooter.
Dick
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What a great weekend! Thanks to Bud Bond and everybody in Colorado for putting on a truly first class match. This is one that the rest of you serious wheelgunners should really consider attending next year--Sam and I had never shot an ICORE match before, but we look forward to trying it again soon. One thing I noticed--just about all of the wheelgunners who showed up for this match were pretty dang competent shooters, I was pretty impressed with the skill quality top to bottom.
Fun stages, nice people, knock-out prize table. Saw some old friends, and made some new ones. It was honestly well worth the 20-hour round-trip, and I'd say that's pretty high praise!
By the way, Glock Phan, congratulations on a great performance Saturday, and I look forward to shooting with you again somewhere soon.
Mike
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You need to change springs, your's are so worn the hammer is still going back from your last shot. They don't cost much! Nice group!
Dick---six shot
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Since you can't build a rimfire load it becomes a two stage process to find what works best in your personal 617, and it seems all rimfires have their own sweet tooth for a certain brand of ammo. First you buy several different brands to find what shoots best, then second you use the trial & error method to make sure your gun is reliable with that brand. Don't recall what my double action pull is & really don't care, its 100% and out of all the different brands of ammo I tried, including some of the expensive stuff, good old american eagle came out on top, who woulda guessed!
Dick