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They also sell them here https://magload.co.uk/product/beretta-1301-pro-lifter-lifter-hold-down/ And they ship worldwide

It could be the welded end of the new Pro style carrier..... On the original 1301 carrier there is a crescent shape that centralizes the round as it is presented to the chamber. With the crescent welded, the round isn't centralized & if it steps out towards the ejection port can hang up on the cut out where the extractor goes when the bolt is locked into a firing position. To test? Find an original carrier (borrow from someone who has an early model gun?), swap it out with the one in the pro & use the ammo you know fails with the current set up.

Thanks for the explanation. I'm still not getting it though. I think you're saying the bolt is forward on an empty chamber. Going back to your picture, is the shell catch holding the shell? It looks like the shell is being held by the lifter. Which model of 1301 is it? By the lifter & sthe serial number position I'm guessing its a mk1? If so, is that an A400 or 1301 Pro bolt release button? Hard to see from the pic but it doesn't look like the original. Also, in your original message you mention "holding down the lever". Does that mean you keep the bolt release depressed while loading? Sorry if I'm coming across as a bit stupid, just making sure we diagnose the problem & rectify it for you

No worries I'm unsure what you mean by "not cocked". I've just checked mine & if the hammer is forward, the lifter is locked in the down position making it impossible to put any shells into the mag tube. Is it only the 1st shell that's hanging up?

You don't need to pull the trigger to get one out of the mag & on to the lifter - Start with an empty gun - Press the bolt relase - Load shells into tube - Press little silver button at the back of the lifter (instead of pulling the trigger) Alternatively, you may be able to ghost load one on to the lifter after loading the mag by pulling back on the bolt enough to load a shell onto the lifter through the ejection port. Depends which model gun & lifter you have

The innovative Finn mod was a flat step that pushed the lifter down. The innovative Brit mod of the Finn mod was to make the step into a ramp (to make it easier to hit the Beretta button) & make the ramp higher to push the lifter into the gun further.

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My mid bead covers the bottom third of the front fiber & is good out to 100. If the target is small or I'm unsure about the distance I hold that sight picture on the bottom edge of the target

The load/trigger/rack process won't work if the hammer is forward. The bolt would need to be pulled back to release the lifter. From there, 2 options. - Bolt forward, load/trigger/rack - drop one in the chamber/bolt forward/finish load Personally i don't like the load/trigger/rack system. I'm not convinced that pulling the trigger as part of the loading process is a good idea (here goes the "the gun is already loaded" comments ) Sure, it's fine for an unloaded situation but if there's a brain fart & the unloaded load technique is used when the gun has one in the chamber it's going to end badly.

You won't be sorry dude. Let me know if you'd like any help with technique

Yes & no. Depends on your needs, your physicality, your technique...... There is a rule in IPSC shotgun (5.2.3.2) about a maximum height of 170mm which can restrict the angle of the rig & may effect your decision. Most of the top competitors i know just have a 28 & considering their level, if there were an advantage to multiple smaller holders they'd already be doing it

I load weak hand (gun under armpit) for various reasons. I like the stability that having a good grip & multiple points of contact bring, I like being able to see my rig, the loading port & where I'm going when I'm loading. I also like that my weak hand is my loading hand for all platforms leaving the strong hand to do nothing more than control the gun. As a beginner i think its a much easier process to learn & as a coach it's definitely much easier to teach. From a performance perspective, most of the top guys utilize both techniques as both techniques have their strengths & weaknesses. Personally, i haven't bothered to learn both. I'm already pretty quick with loading & the work required to learn a new technique that may save a tenth here or there on the load isn't going to benefit my game as much as other improvements i could work on for the same investment of time. If you can try the rig before you buy, don't worry too much about whether the caddy you're using is L or R. The offset does make a difference but for testing purposes those differences won't be big enough to change your decision on technique. The main thing is to make sure that the caddy is set up correctly so that you're not fighting against it (or your body). Top tip - you want your wrist to be in as neutral a position when you grab from the rig Let me know if i can help in any way

Dan, as ever, is being kind. Possibly because he's one of the nicest guys I've met in Practical Shooting. Fair warning, I'm sponsored by Kings. I was buying their gear before that arrangement came about, I'll be buying it if the arrangent ever changes & I'll carry on using it for as long as it's the best on the market..... if it's good enough for most of the top shooters at the IPSC World Shoot last year & man enough to cope with Blueridge & Rock Hard we can assume it's fit for purpose After you've had a play with them locally, let me know if you need any help setting them up (or any other caddies you settle on) or if you need any help with loading technique

Yup, should be fine Good choice with Kings as well

Hey Dan, thanks for the mention Hi Anders, According to the IPSC rules - 1.2.1.3 Long Courses – Must not require more than 28 rounds to complete. A COF requiring 24 or more rounds must not stipulate an unloaded gun as a start condition. Most of the competitors i see on the international circuits use a 28 as their main rig as you're not going to need more if you're accurate. Some use both weak hand & strong hand techniques so may have their rig more suited to that. I use a 28 as my main rig & use a 12 as a velcro backed removable caddy (for stages that require no ammo on competitor at start) or as a pre load (no pre load tables in IPSC) Hope this helps Jon

Try here - part 138. https://www.omps2.it/en/firearm-spare-parts/beretta-spare-parts/semiautomatics/1301-tactical.html?limit=all Not sure if they'll ship to the US, gotta be worth asking though.

It depends where the carbon is building up. Personally, I scrape the excess off with something suitable (screwdriver, pocket knife) & then put the bronze brush in my Dremel & take it back to shiny. No doubt someone will say I'm doing it wrong, but she's got 5 years worth of heavy use & has always cycled with no issues.....

Where are you based? I have some stuff you can have Can post or I'm in Kentucky at the end of the month

There is a Typhoon USA group up & running on FB Technically it's an F12 group but pretty sure they'll know all about the X12 as well https://www.facebook.com/groups/2585443418137955/?ref=share

I've seen it in IPSC but not in 3 gun. Strong hand is great when space is tight or loading when moving towards the weak side & weak hand is useful when doing empty gun loads & loading towards the strong side. Again, I tend to see it in IPSC matches where waist real estate isn't so much of an issue rather than in 3 gun. I'm a much better at loading with my weak hand & while I can load strong handed, the big improvements in my game aren't going to come from cutting a tenth or 2 off a load..... I'll be sticking to weak hand

Hard to say with the random element & low ready as it's not an IPSC start position. But...... At 12 yards, 1st shot around 0.5 - 0.7 & target transitions around 0.2 - 0.4 More time at further distance

My 1301 used to do this. The problem went away when I started investing in good ammo rather than any old crap. That said, I can run any old crap if I put the rounds through a crimp press to round off the edges before I use them. Easy answer? Look for a nice rounded crimp (from the side) rather than a square top Don't do this with a Dremel. Ever..... Also don't ask me how I know......

In a word, yes. Unfortunately you're going to be limited by the roll pins that hold in the shell catch

Velcro. Lots & lots of velcro. I wear a standard velcro inner to stop my trousers falling down & a modified weight lifting belt (modified with velcro) that I attach the caddies to. I also have modifications for attaching tekloks so that I can use them when I shoot 3 gun.... Yes, you're right. 28 max. I was getting mixed up with the 32 max hits. No idea on the condition 3 max round count

I've used & still own just about every type of quads. A lot comes down to personal preference.... I never really got on with the AP custom type. I found the shells were too far apart for a consistent grab & it only took one episode of the steel sprung part that holds the shell in place going under my finger nail for me to stop using them for good. I used the original Taccoms pretty successfully for a long time. They're great. Great price, great retention, the shells are close together & they're able to handle different length shells without adjustment. The down side to them is method that they hold the shell. Because they grip the top of the top shell & the bottom of the bottom shell they have a tendency to "V" in the hand. This can be mitigated with (lots of) training I leapt enthusiastically at the magnetic Taccoms but could never get them to give consistent hold on the shell. Probably down to my ineptitude more than design. The newer generation of European based quads are all very similar in design Ezload, Magload & the gen4 Kings all locate the bottom shell & hold the top in place with a good magnet. I've used them all & I still own most (I'm a caddy magpie.....) Honestly, there isn't much between them. They all need adjusting if you're changing shells although some have designed ways of to soak up small amounts of variance. I'm now using the gen5 Kings & really struggle to find anything bad to say about them. They aren't cheap, but then quality rarely is I predominantly shoot IPSC based matches in the UK (Yes, we're allowed some guns) so my rig is angled towards that. My rig holds 28 & I preload from a separate 8. A long IPSC course of fire is going to be a maximum of 32 rounds, so 36 should be plenty....... should be....... Recommendations? Given you shoot a match or 2 a year & don't want to invest Kings money, I'd suggest the Ezload or the Magload. Because of the design they won't "V" like a Taccom even if you have small hands. Obviously you should save up & get some kings though....... ?