Savageman25

Well for some it might be the added cost of buying the small frame magazines if they only have large frames now. That’s not exactly pennies.

I see money just floating away as I read this thread. The only question is if the Stock 2L is brought over as well will decide how much drifts away from my hands.

Don't know anything about it actually. I was scared reading your post for a second until I saw the price. Not a concern really but I'll have to do some investigating on it.

I understand exactly what your saying but I am a person who really struggles with the thought that there can't be a press that can do everything well. Think of all the achievements we as humans have made through great designing and engineering. My plan is have some beta testers but that's still a long ways off. I don't look at this project as a fast moving one.

That's honestly a great idea. Ill have to see if that's even possible with my press.

I'm going to try my best to find out. There might still be a chance it doesn't come from an unknown supplier. What if a new high cost consumer press comes from a very well known supplier? That means it most likely will come with a higher price as well though, I'm sure.

I'm trying to be as careful as possible. I have heard many stories of stolen ideas. Even stories of companies acting uninterested and at a later date used the very idea they said was not useful.

Well unfornutely the phone conversation didn't transpire today. Hopefully this week sometime but may be next week it will happen.

Thanks, ace, for your input. I understand your frustrations. I appreciate your feedback and have read all your advisements. They echo many things I feel can be improved on with current progressive presses. I get that instructions should be made thorough and so anyone can follow them no matter what kind of mechanical aptitude they have as well. I also would hope this doesn't turn into a thread of back and forth explanations of why that's not a real problem and then a response of yes it is. I would like to keep it open to any and everyone who feels something is subpar. Whether that same thing is subpar to someone else matters not. So with that said keep the improvements coming.

So I have just had a very brief conversation with an owner of a reloading company that I'm sure all of you have heard of (it's one of the big ones in the game). He stopped me before we could get into any details but didn't want to continue without a certain other person on the line. So I have a phone call scheduled for Monday at noon. Who knows if anything will come to fruition but at least they are giving me an ear. I'm honored that they are taking the time and have made me really feel that they care to listen to their customers.

1. I honestly am not to the point of worrying about price point as of right now, My personal goal is just to create the darn thing and see where it goes from there. But as I do believe I've settled that these presses will be 6 and 8 stages, I feel they aren't necessarily going to be head to head with any press, even though I'm sure many people will see it that way. 2.I actually never thought of people loading up more than 100 primers at a time. The flip tray that would be apart of the system would be typical sizes you see now. I would put a warning as to not put more than 100 at a time, but I'm sure that people will say hey lets load 200-300+ into the tray, they can fit. I also feel the design of it is very simple as well. I try to keep everything simple as possible. Less cause for concern that way. 3. Don't have much to say here accept the way the case will be delivered to the shellplate will be different in many ways. But honestly very simple. The hopper will function very much like a Dillon or Hornady. 4. I'm not so sure it's promise as it is a goal. But imagine if it is achieved. 5. The way I plan on setting positive seating depth is very similar to how a very good single stage achieves it now. Not spring pressure. It would be a solid stop thus force shouldn't matter. What if the difference in primer depth and cleanliness and Swaging where all accomplished with the same tool before getting to the priming station? I think I've got a pretty good idea to do it but won't know for a while until it could be tested.

I too give you props for that. Pretty ingenious.

Those are two very tall orders for a progressive as well. I like that you guys are giving me more things to think about to incorporate. Maybe some things wouldn't come standard with the press but could be additional options.

Taken into consideration. A trimmer space would have to be on the 8 stage. The culled "ringers" or incorrect primer diameter might be taken care of with the way I'm thinking of making sure the positive priming depth and swaging is ensured in all cases but might be a difficult task.

Swaging is in the mix for sure. Price point is hard to guess at this point in the game, but I would definitely want to keep it competitive. The truth is that it's looking more and more like it's going to be a 6 stage and an 8 stage. Having the ability to have a powder check die in the press is a must, in doing that I feel the need for another stage than the typical presses out now.

You make some good points but roll sizers don't keep me up at night, lol. Thinking about this press design has cost me much sleep.

Simply put yes. I had thought of an inline machine at one point but I found that the size of it would be a huge detriment.

Priming depth would be set, I feel this is a must. Making sure that all brass can accept the seating depth is something that I feel I could achieve with this press. The dies will come down to the cases, the shellplate will rotate. Half on each stroke up and down. This allows a device to be used on the press to allow for the brass primer pockets to be prepped before being primed. Agree that one more stage would be very helpful. Automation is very doable but I don't think I would ever attempt to do that part.

Yes they would be very easily removed and reinserted. One hand use. No fiddling or being perfectly placed either. I had thought of an integral light as well and feel it would be a great addition. The whole primer assembly would be able to be removed within a few seconds by simply sliding it out, thus lending itself to be cleared very easily. It most certianly has lube points. Powder draining, I feel as if this would be simple by using the rotary devices already used by rcbs and hornady, which I tend to like but I feel still isn't consistent enough for the precision I want from a powder measure.

Absolutely agree. On both accounts

I am currently in the R and D phase of developing a new type of progressive press for the home reloader. This is something that I have wrestled with attempting for some time now. I have finally convinced myself that if I don't try to make these presses (a 5/6 stage and a 7/8 stage) that I have slowly designed over time, that I will look back when I'm older and be disappointed that I didn't take the initiative to at least try. Now I know many of you might be perfectly fine with your current press/presses whatever flavor they may be but I ask you to at least think back at one time where you said in your head; you know what, I wish this press had/did or didn't do ________________. To tell you the truth I am fairly happy with my progressive press, but I can't help but feel that I can vastly improve on the design (I say that with no disrespect to the engineers of these presses, I'm sure they are brilliant people). If you look at progressive presses across different manufacturers I feel they have common shortcomings that we just simply have put up with. Things that my press will completely remove. So without telling you everything about my press I will highlight some things that I feel I have worked out and make them revolutionary. The press/presses main highlights (I'm thinking of either a 5/6 stage and a 7/8 stage) 1. No caliber specific shellplate (one baseplate will do every caliber which saves time switching and not to mention money) 2. Simply slide dies in and out (I'm sure many of you can think of a single stage that does this phenomenally) 3. No more picking up primers with pickup tubes or using a machine, simply put them in the supplied flip tray of the press and attach it directly 4. A much improved case feed design 5. Adaptable for right hand or left hand operation Couple key points kept in mind with design 1. Keep it simple (nothing high tech or with tons of moving parts) 2. Make it run perfect directly out of the box (I'm tired of presses that must be fiddled with to work correctly) 3. If something were to fail, it's able to be fixed by owner easily 4. Use quality U.S. Parts 5. Caliber changes easily done within 5 minutes Without going into tons more detail, I would like to say that there is many more design features that would make it different and revolutionary but they are just icing on the cake compared to the things already mentioned. I have tried and tried to come up with a better powder delivery than what's currently being usedon progressives but for the life of me cannot do it after many hours of designing and redesigning. I open this up to you guys to give me anything else that would be a huge benefit to the press. I would like to also say this isn't a thread to tell me how dumb of an idea or how there's no way this will work against the competition or I'm biting off more than I can chew. My credentials are not much but I have went through the Navy's Nuclear technology school (some people say engineering but it's not, even though it is very hard), I have a degree in AutoCAD, Soon to have a degree in aviation (Helicopter CFI currently working on Fixed Wing ratings) and plan to get a Bachelors in Business. Worked as a plumber for 8 years and have a strong mechanical aptitude. Not that any of that matters accept to maybe try to explain I'm not an idiot and that I'm dedicated to something when I put myself into it.

If you need the money, sell it. If your never going to shoot it, sell it. Other than those two reason, im all about keeping guns. I would also agree with the comments of making sure you like your stock 3 first before making the decision, but my first comments still hold true even if you do like the stock 3.

Oak Hill has been great to deal with for me. Does it seem a little shady if they didn't send out notification first before putting a high demand gun out on gunbroker or listing it on the website as in stock, yeah. But it could also be that the way there Internet system is set up It's a royal pain to take the notification feature off one listing or it must be completely removed. Either way I think it should be done in future situations. It may have even malfunctioned, who knows (probably not). I hope he will correct this whichever the cause (please do or this whole argument is completely void and I for one will join the crowd of "this is wrong"). At the time his system was set up stock 2 9mm probably were not going for these prices and Oak Hill wasn't expecting this type of problem. So I would give him a pass on this occasion, but not the next time. I give people a little mercy and benefit of the doubt, I know a lot do not. I will say though that I can not fault him for selling the gun at market value. He is making a living on selling guns. Put yourself in his shoes. Why would you sell a gun for a price you absolutely KNOW someone could just buy off you and make a very LARGE profit gain by reselling it. Oak Hill does not know your plan so therefor I believe this warrants the allowance of selling at market value. It's not price gouging or crooked, it's business savvy. He's not trying to screw someone over on the price, just trying to get what it's worth at this point in time (there is a difference even if it's slight). Personal thoughts on these high demand Tanfoglios. If you want this gun so bad and want to pay these high demand prices, then that's your parogative. I love and want some of these guns also. I have a few right now. I will eventually have all of them that I want, but I'm patient. Why wait? Glad you ask. I firmly believe either a) the people that want these high demand guns will either slowly decrease and prices will eventually come back down or Tanfoglio will EVENTUALLY (maybe a very long time) start sending more of them and supply will increase. Either way patience is the key, and mostly a lost vurtue in this day here in America. You can not always get what you want, when you want it, how you want to get it.

Thanks for all the replys. Definitely getting one. Just gotta fit into the budget. So much cool stuff to buy, so little money.

Careful trying to sell outside of classifieds, the police will be on you. I'm not talking about the mods either. Those guys seem to be pretty cool. I have personal experience with this.