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I’ll say 2 things: consider a normal local/regional match. Let’s say it’s 10 stages and 220 rounds total. Probably 1 or 2 will be an unloaded start of some kind. That leaves 8 or 9 DA shots in the match and 211-212+ SA. For probably half or more of those 8-9 DA shots you’ll be able to engage a fairly close/easy target first. So maybe you’re left with 2-3 that are a bit challenging. Out of 220+.... dont get me wrong. Being able to competently shoot the gun in DA is important. Buts it’s possivly not as big a deal as people may think. It’s likely going to be less than 5% of your shots in a match. my second point is a tip for a simple life fire drill that helped me both with reaction time and being able to pull the trigger FAST but not HARD in DA. The drill is simple. 6 inch plates at 7-10 yards (or whatever distance you like). You start with the gun up on target, in DA ready to shoot but trigger finger not actually touching the trigger. At the beep you fire one DA shot at the plate. You can do it in dry fire too of course. I like it as a warm up. And it’s done this way to remove other elements like the draw, the grip etc. you are starting with a good grip, aimed on target and simply firing the shot as soon as you hear the beep. A ‘good’ time is in the low 0.20’s.

Also check which length top end you have. The older v8 eric customs used the ‘4.75’ inch slide and the later v12’s used the shorter ‘4.5’ inch one.

Yes the gold teams don’t use the cone barrel. They use the straight ‘match barrel’ which is threaded. The comp and cone are one piece. So once you screw on the comp you effectively now have a cone barrel with the comp. i should add that the advice above mirrors my experience too in that tanfoglio will sell you a longer (4.75”?) straight match barrel which you have to have cut to length, re-crowned, threaded (and it’s threaded a fair way, like 2 inches, and it’s a fine metric thread) and if you’re using it on a v12 you’ll need to drill 8 popple holes (Maybe 12 but I think the 4 in the comp are after the crown) and of course you’ll need to fit it to the slide (mainly the pad on the side of the hood from memory). Its a fair bit of work. Fortunately last I checked the barrels were cheap. It’s like a $100 barrel that needs $200 worth of machining and fitting. Lol. Then theres the fact that your main barrel lockup surface at the muzzle is the aluminium cone that’s part of the comp/sleeve. Cone lockup is somewhat forgiving I guess but it’s still not ideal in my eyes. I guess on the plus side it’ll be the aluminium cone wearing out and not the slide...

Exactly. Uspsa is a subset of subset of a niche. And its fanstastic the way it is. We dont need mega bucks and bigger matches etc. growth just for the sake of growth is actually toxic and just dilutes the sport even further.

None of what you said addresses my explanation at all. Your assumption about the size of the market and uspsa’s place within that market is what I was addressing. And that’s fundamental to your whole premise. Uspsa is not practical shooting. Just like tae kwan do is not martial arts. The product of uspsa is not the matches.

Yeah so it varies a bit with different dots. My dpp is great on battery and also a bit annoying to turn on and off, so it stays on. I used to leave my rts2’s on but the v1-v4 don’t have movement sensors. They turn off automatically after 2hrs (maybe 3?) without any button being pressed. I once had that happen mid stage after I turned it on in the morning and hadn’t touched it since. After that I made it a habit to press a button before my turn to shoot. Now with the rts2 I turn it off. However I don’t turn it on at make ready. I turn it on when I’m next shooter up. I can do it in the holster easily and I also get an idea of where the brightness needs to be. It also means if something is wrong I have time to switch to the backup... At make ready I simply check I’m happy with the brightness and adjust as needed. I do turn off after the stage but I do it in the holster. Nothing worse than people waiting to score/reset while some dude spends a minute f*#king with his dot. Get the gun safely holstered, check targets etc then I turn it off and put the cover on when I’m back and my range bag.

Agree 100%. There is no good reason to have irons on a co gun and plenty of good reasons not to as explained well by Charlie. The two big ‘excuses’ I hear (easier to find the dot, and in case my dot fails mid stage) were addressed completely in Charlie’s post. Its all about having a reliable presentation of the gun whether that’s from a draw, or coming into a position, or on a lean, or on the move etc etc. and that comes from practice. It can mostly be sorted in dry fire.

I’m not going to go into this too much but your whole argument is built on a faulty premise. That uspsa/shooting can be in some way compared to the video game industry. There are so many reason why that comparison is completely invalid but I’ll start with this: the gun industry is one thing. It may be multi billion dollar industry but understand these facts: shooting sports are a subset of that industry (like hunting is a subset, or self defense etc) within that subset of ‘shooting sports’ we have practical shooting which is probably best described as a niche market within that niche of practical shooting you have uspsa as a niche within the niche within that small niche of uspsa you have pcc If you want to use the electronic gaming industry analogy, uspsa is like a video game league for people playing Mario kart64. And pcc is like comp within that league where people all compete using the princess peach character. So if you ran a ‘Mario kart64 princess peach championship’ would you expect uber $ prize money for that?

Sounds like you might have removed too much pretravel. Screw the pre travel screw in a little then re test.

It’s not bulky at all but it’s pretty long. I drive an bmw m5 which has a larger than average trunk and it just barely fits diagonally. It’s also not really heavy. Maybe 12lbs? But yeah it’s probaly 6ft long in the carry case. Oh, it comes in a handy carry case. In a truck or suv it ‘should’ fit ok.

It’s pretty big. I’d say probably 6ftx6ft on the ground. The side closest to you is about 3ft high and rear edge 6ft high. It’s very easy/fast to pack and unpack.

Trust me. Just pony up for the daa/ced one. I bought one when it came out. A friend had built his own out of a golf net. One session using mine and he immediately ordered the daa one too. Its awesome. its super easy to setup. Takes like 1 minute. The net is nice and thick and the rear edge is about 6ft high so it’ll catch even high ejected brass. We use different tubs under it and just swap out the tub for each shooter. Its easy to move too. Its useless for shooting on the move but most of our training is done standing... it gets like 99% of my brass. I love it. Yes its pricey but all the homemade ones I’ve seen sucked in comparison and those seem to catch only 60% or so. You wont regret it.

Ps. The most baller option is the geco 124gn hexagon. It’s loaded with vithavouri powder and fancy hexagon jhp’s. It’s super accurate but a bit pricey. It was one of the official match ammo options at the last Ipsc world shoot. https://geco-munition.de/en/ammunition/ammo-for-pistols-and-revolver/Product/show/geco-hexagon-pistol-cartridge/9-mm-luger.html

Probably the best all round choice for 9mm production ammo is fed American eagle 124gn fmj. Its about 138pf our of most prod guns so it’s a little warm but it’s super reliable. Will always make pf. Very clean. Brass is good too so you can recoup some $ selling it. It also has federal primers so it’ll always go bang even in tunes cz’s and tanfoglios. The new federal syntech action pistol 150gn is also a good option. It was also about 138 pf out of my shadow 2 but it ‘feels’ softer due to the heavier pill. I can tell you some of the top prod shooters in the world use fed American eagle as match ammo. Nothing beats quality, factory ammo reliability. And the fed American eagle is pretty affordable too.

Rts2 is the way to go. It has the most dot size options (3, 6, 8 or 10 moa). Easy dot adjustment. Holds zero. Easy battery change. Small and light and with the tallest window of the micro dots (width is not that important. Height is). Very nice, bright, clear dot. I have had isssues running them on slides after 25,000 rounds but no issues on 2 open guns. When frame mounted they should be trouble free.

I would get the Henning mount. I’ve used it and the czc mount. The only benefit the czc mount has is the ability to change to a different brand optic. Other than that the Henning is better in a number of ways. https://www.henningshop.com/Detail.aspx?PROD=1416514&CAT=10066

Ive seen a stock 1 version posted somewhere and a stock 1 with frame cuts to make it light enough for IPSC production optic ‘light’ division.

Who’s excited? In the wake of the shadow 2 OR tanfoglio have realsed a stock II OR to go head to head in the optic divisions. Looks like it will use plates like the shad2 OR.

Isn’t the frame the cheaper part? Grips are $600+ frames? <$300?

B_rad. Love the setup of the dustcover/slide. Really neat way to do with mid/length full dustcover setup. Dons work is really tidy.

I run the Oakley prizm golf lenses. They give great comtrast between browns and greens. i recommended them to a few friends who now all run them.

I think if you use it the right way there is a benefit. I used to run them. Now I don’t. But I also shoot prod and singlestack so keeping my grip the same helps. The thumb rest test is an advantage if you’re doing the ‘opposable grip’. So bacially your weak hand is squeezing between the underside of the trigger guard and the thumb rest to get a tight grip. if you use a ‘thumbs forward’ grip the pressure is more side to side going into the grip. In that case thumb is doing nothing. In the opposable grip grip your weak hand is more upright. Some like that. I don’t. In thumbs forward your weak hand is canted more like 45 degrees to the grip. I like that. It feels higher and I feel like I have more weakhand on the grip. Chriss tilley kind of explains the opposable grip in a vid on YouTube about go gun thumbrests.

That would do me nicely too.

I agree. I have 7 rts2’s now. I still have one dpp but I’ll likely sell it at some point.

Very interesting idea. Hopefully I get to play with one one day.