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Interesting. I need to do some more reading on this. It’s interesting to me how the visual reaction is so much slower than an auditory reaction, but that they seem to swap places after that.

Honestly I don’t think I’d be faster than anyone else, especially someone else who holds a GM card. Maybe another topic of discussion- does this actually matter? I did 8 tonight at practice. Stop plate on limits. The first 6 were .16-.18 double action, the last 2 were both .14 staged. I was warm as it was mid practice. I think my limit on this would be .11-.12 with a short trigger. There is a great reaction time calc at: https://racing-elite.com/2019/08/14/f1-test-test-your-reaction-time-at-the-start-of-the-f1-race/ I just did it 3 times. .291, .285, .271. I think these times will be pretty normal for my demographics in life, not shooting.

Very interesting. What’s the trigger weight? If it’s bone stock and the weight is 12-14lbs I think this sounds correct to have a tired finger and hand- especially if you’re coming from single action land. I experienced finger/forearm fatigue a lot when I started shooting revolver. Hands/fingers/ forearms got used to it and stronger because if it, and I work with my hands for a living. If it was me, I’d keep doing it, but spread out the dryfire reps so it wasn’t all together at one time. Couple mins here and there throughout the day until the strength built. If you wanted to get good at revolver and shoot it regularly I would not drop it and pick it up, that will probably cause the same pain. Yes, your single action shooting will get better by spending time with a revolver.

This one: https://miculek.com/products/miculek-sw-revolver-spring-kit-k-l-n-frame I haven’t ever used snap caps with a 617. Don’t dry fire it excessively though. Firing pin doesn’t reach the cylinder.

The JM mainspring and Wolff 11lb rebound is the historical go to for starting out with a 617. Keep the factory firing pin. The apex hammer not only gets rid of the spur which shouldn’t be there to begin with, but also retains the weight, and helps reduce the pull. I think I’m in the mid to high 7lb range. I have a rev up hammer to try in a carbon fiber 617 test mule later this year, so no comments there yet. Yes the Alchin mount fits fine. There are 2 mini mags weights. My 617s are very accurate with one and terrible with the other. Ignition was good with both, but the 500rd blue box federal is the best I’ve found personally. Although, I also don’t always go digging after I find something that works 100%, I just buy a lot of it.

I had some years ago. Weren’t as fast or consistent as comp3s. Sold them for more than I paid new for them.

Before the 929 the gun everyone was building or wanted was a 627 with a 6-6.5” model 27 barrel on it. Everyone just wants to shoot whatever doesn’t exist from the factory…

The moons need to be sized to the brand of brass you are using for tightest fit and quickest reloads. Reloads and 929s are the best combination, but mixed brass and moons aren’t always the best. I’d say to try a TK blued .035 for mixed brass, but make sure you have lots of spring tension in the mainspring as your firing pin will have a lot of work to do.

Yeah bring it next time we shoot. I’d like to compare the porting to an unported gun again. It’s been a few years.

On the topic of porting- it won’t make a difference. Especially with SC loads. If you’re shooting coated bullets you’ll spend as much time trying to keep them clean as you will shooting the gun. Comps make a difference with all bullets. Mid ports make a difference with heavy bullets. End ports do the same thing the factory 929/627-4 ported cap does- get dirty.

What was your mindset like one gun compared to the other? You fired 180 rounds with the 627 with 2 misses (that weren't counted to your time) compared to 5% more rounds at 189 with the R8- but 9 misses- 2 of which were stop plate misses that counted and 4 of the others were too. Removing those 72 seconds of penalties that were in the R8 scorecard gets your R8 back into the same ball park as your 627. Your average draw for the 627 was 1.43 compared to 1.40 with the R8. Removing Outer Limits (since the data was skewed by 3 incomplete strings with the R8)- Your best string times with the 627 every time would have been a 60.80 and the R8 would have been 60.76. I’d be curious to hear your thoughts on the mindset you had going into this match about 1 gun vs the other. I think it’s extremely difficult to go into a “scientific” experiment like this one was, without a bias. There are many ways to interpret the data from this match. Personally I would always advise someone to make a gun decision based on which one they feel more confident with, but with the data I’m seeing here would make me question which gun is still the correct choice.

Swap which gun you shoot first on every stage. It’s pretty common for a person to shoot the first gun or the second gun consistently better than the other, so if you’re using a match to get some of this data you want to alternate

I messed around with both the steel and titanium cylinder 327s early on in shooting steel. I liked the weight of the R8/steel cylidered 327, but always felt like the weights were backwards- the cylinder should be light and the frame a little heavier. The 327JM was almost too light. I felt like I was moving it around too much. Now I look at those perspectives years later and think they were just how I felt at the time. I think shooting steel is much more of a mindset than equipment specific. You’re not going to do a faster draw with a lighter gun- you’re going to do a faster draw if you plan for it and get after it when the buzzer goes. A few more items for thought: the ISR record for overall time is still from a full weight 929. And I can still draw my heavy 8 3/8” ICORE open 929 at an .80 to plate 4 on smoke. But after weeks of dryfire and thousands of draws and transitions, I have completely stopped having any arm or shoulder pain from going to a lighter gun. Also, the recoil impulse with a carbon barreled gun with 123pf ammo and a factory barrel with 136pf is very similar- which for me makes it easier to go back and forth from during the season.

Cash prizes? I’m in…

There’s an ICORE Club there?

I’m pretty sure Rich uses a super aggressive thumbs forward grip doesn’t he?

They’re around. Usually someone’s trying to get 950-1k on GB for one NIB. I’m pretty sure dealer price is still under low 8s, and Msrp is only 1160, so street price of new ones should be 9-950. There’s still deals on new and used guns out there. Just have to be patient and look in the right places.

Yeah it’s a fair deal at 1100 OTD if it’s a PC. If it’s a pro you can buy brand new cheaper.

Oh there’s more than that.

I just don’t think a Glock should break after 5k live and 120k dry. I don’t really shoot anything but revolvers, but the g34 I don’t shoot is probably over 120k live and 2-4 times that dry. I’ve been beating on the same 929 for a lot longer that that, and other than breaking something completely unrelated to live and dry fire, it’s fine.

No I don’t think that’s right.

When and where?

Don’t go back too far. I’m still young enough there’s weird stuff on there… One of these days I’ll post a quick one. I might have a surprise in store…

No one is doing that at matches. No one who is decent anyways. Just like autoloaders, there’s way way way more incorrect information out in the social media world than correct info. This is a great example of how to reload a revolver in a way that’s much slower than it needs to be, and will get you sent home early from a match with a governing body.

I’ll see you at Custer soon.