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  1. Ha I know it’s you Brad. Looking like next January for the revolver match and next April for an unannounced match…
  2. Let me know how this comp works out. I recently bought 3 vcomps and might shoot some in open since I have 10k short colts loaded and ready to go and never mess with them anymore.
  3. That’s great to hear. When the 929s came out we tried all sorts of things to try to get them to work. 627-4 cylinders, 357 mag cylinders. Hopefully they’re getting better. Having a gun that could go back and forth would be pretty cool.
  4. I like what you have here. And what Warren said. You can go a long way on just focusing on shooting As as fast as possible. And focusing on just your match. After that it starts to become a dark art.
  5. Are we talking about a regional championship or a club match?
  6. Oh it’s doable. Especially for you. Did you cut the cylinder down? Are you on the same yoke as the 929 cylinder? I haven’t sat down and compared a newer 929 to one of the original ones, but considering I don’t hear about the issues we used to hear about with them and in the interest of making parts easier to manufacture they standardized things between the 929 and 627s.
  7. This is the correct answer for all divisions. Everything depends on the hit factor. These days hit factors at club matches are significantly higher than they used to be, so accuracy expectations have drastically dropped across all divisions. I believe the answered you’re looking for can be found on practiscore. Have a look at revolver nationals past matches to get an idea of what percentage of points based on what the HHF was on a given stage.
  8. I went down this route early on when the 929s came out. Since 9mm is tapered it’s doesn’t really get along with a tapered chamber in a revolver and nothing holding it in place. I was planning to chop a 627 cylinder down to 929 length. Good thing I pulled the barrel out and tried to fit the 357 cylinder to the 929 yoke and frame before cutting it- it was so far forward the firing pin wouldn’t even mark the primers. There’s still a handful of California 929 shooters using short colt in their 9mm guns rather than dealing with the headache that was 9mm in the early 929s. A lot less complaints about them the past few years. Lots of options for you though. Fitting a 929 barrel to a 627. Finding a 6-6.5” model 27 barrel. Although a 5” 627 still has the same sight radius as a 6” 1911, I’m not sure the long 929 barrels are the advantage they’re perceived to be. There are titanium 327/627 cylinders out in the wild, they’re just getting really tough to come by these days.
  9. Setting up a Smith for a second cylinder is tough- which usually means expensive. You have to time a second cylinder to the existing hand. In theory you could find a 627 cylinder with ratchets cut large enough to be cut to that hand, but most likely a brand new ratchet needs fitted. Then you have the yoke. The rear “depths” of the 929 and 627 cylinders are different, which means the yokes aren’t the same length. So now a second yoke would have to be fitted to the 929 frame. Yokes are a controlled part, the factory won’t sell them. Most likely you’d end up searching eBay or buying a complete but cut up gun for that. None of these things should be taken on by an amateur. By the time you’re done, a yoke is probably 150$, cylinder and new star is 200$, machining cylinder, hand cutting 8 separate timing ratchets, refitting yoke and putting the entire thing together into a gun that works- let alone a different POA/POI, you’re easily at the cost of a 627.
  10. Ha I just saw all this. Must have missed it once the tractor mechanic conversation came around the mountain again.
  11. Is that a Monday? I am so confused about this…
  12. They’re different length cylinders. Around 1/8”.
  13. Sure there are a few extremely rare examples out there. But none recent that I am familiar with. Other than the 608, which I don’t believe has been seriously fielded by anyone yet?
  14. In theory the Taurus ports would be easy to close up. Tap the holes and put screws in them. I’m not sure why you’d want to add weight to an open revolver to be competitive in ICORE? Off the top of my head I’m not familiar with any Smith 8 shot guns that are permanently ported. Pretty much everyone is shooting a 627 or 929, with a sprinkle of Ruger Super GP thrown in.
  15. I hope, and think, this is not the intent of the rule book in icore. I can’t say I’ve read much of the icore rulebook when it comes to divisions and modifications, but I don’t see a competitive issue with allowing any of those things listed in that paragraph. Which means we should submit a rules suggestion to just get rid of that paragraph?
  16. I was contacted by a fellow in the UK to do a carbon barrel for a smith for him. Unfortunately because of the length of blank it would take and the amount of carbon I believe the number I gave him was the equivalent of a rifle barrel. Better than no revolvers I guess.
  17. The vcomp and PC are the same gun with different barrels. You can get one with black paint. Exact same internals.
  18. I vote build a nice minor icore open gun and shoot it in uspsa. I prefer a heavy open gun in icore and a light one in SC. If your worried about the points it’s not hard to do the math after the match. If you’re worried about using it as a training opportunity for icore and SC then you’ll be shooting the gun you’re training with. You aren’t going to win open with a revolver at a club match if there’s a B class open shooter there anyways, so why bother with major? On the question if the vcomp- it’s only ok as a magnum/major gun. The comp isn’t a comp, it’s a ported cap like all of smiths other “comps.” A custom barrel with either a threaded end to experiment with different comps on the market or have the barrel built with a known comp machined in it is the best option.
  19. As it pertains to steel challenge- In raw time they’re the same. The dot provides “cleaner” feedback because the vision shift doesn’t need to happen. The difference in speed comes from how comfortable a person is with either of the sights. The main difference in overall match times, for equal guns (in this example both revolvers) comes from make up shots. It’s much easier to have a makeup shot at full pace with a dot. For most people I’d say 10% difference is the correct number. There’s always people who are very much outside that number, but over a majority or people for a long period of time I’d say that’s a close number. The top shooters who shoot irons at an extremely fast pace still see a lot more sights than if shooting uspsa. The targets are tougher, the reward is much lower for an extremely high risk in SC to truly send it on a target focus.
  20. So it got stuck after you fired it? Or it was unfired and fell out of the case?
  21. The action weight won’t go down by polishing the internals- it will only go down by reducing the spring tension. Be careful polishing sears too. The parts you have in that gun come pre polished, that’s one of the reasons they cost so much. More polishing could result in timing issues. If you put the same springs back in the gun and it went down a pound then that weight came out of the mainspring, which means the mainspring screw didn’t go back in as far. Make sure you put that through a good test before taking it to a match. Overall trigger weight is a balance of both springs and how the primers are seated in the ammo. In action shooting, I don’t believe anything below 7lbs is an advantage. What is gained in lowering the weight is given up in either rebound speed or ignition consistency. There are several shooters who have match guns in the 5lb range that run 100% of the time, but they have lost reset speed as a result.
  22. There’s nothing left to do inside the gun. Those are all TK aftermarket parts in there. Those are factory springs inside it the gun, and you don’t want to change them. That gun will go to mid 4lbs, but you give up the trigger return. TK knows what they’re doing with the return, where some other builders sacrifice that for bragging rights. Toss that nose cap in the spare parts bin, it’s only making your life worse. Weigand rear sights are ok, the notch is a bit wide for a 7.5” sight radius though. Bowen makes a complete replacement that’s much more rugged than the Weigand replacement blade, and it has zero play in it, where most Weigand’s do. The HiViz front sights are bright, but they aren’t very crisp compared to any others. Try SDM if you like a large fiber, or Dawson if you prefer smaller. After that just catch some ICORE or USPSA matches. Hopefully you live in a spot that has both and can find some decent revolver shooters to shoot with.
  23. I would think that 100ms or .10 seems about right, maybe even a hair slower and that’s why the Olympics set it at that. This explains the trigger pulls I had at .14 with trigger staged. I personally haven’t spend much time training or thinking about the conscious reaction to the buzzer, but I have spent time with the unconscious reactions to things during shooting. I think there are huge gains to be had there.
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