glandry51

I have the Wilson 10 mm mags and they let me run Atlanta Ammo 180gr FMJ .40 Long (1.180 OAL) flawlessly through my Trojan.

So no, gamers already cannot cut up their slides to race out their single stack guns. That point is mute. The rule is a rule... And we must ALL abide by the rules the same.

Using .40 CAL 140mm STI mag tubes and using Taran Tactical Spring/Follower/4G2 Basepad, I get 20+1 and is SUPER RELIABLE

Last match I forgot to top off my mags before shooting the classifier....yeah, not so good

That's not a local rule at all. IMHO (and apparently in practice at national championship matches), the rules give the RO and RM some latitude to ensure the match is run fairly. If the shooter simply claims the popper was set too heavy, you can say 'too bad, no calibration since you shot it down', and move on to the next shooter. OTOH, if you examine the popper, and find that it was obviously set wrong somehow, and then you adjust it significantly, or you instruct the other RO's to change the way they have been setting it (with a forward-faller, for example) you have changed the presentation of the stage, and a re-shoot *may* be justified. This is a VERY different situation than the one you describe. I don't think any reasonable person is suggesting that people should be able to call for calibration after having to use more than 1 shot to drop a popper. I'm saying that if the popper (or any other prop or piece of equipment) was OBVIOUSLY improperly adjusted, *and you change that adjustment to fix it*, a re-shoot for someone who was affected by the maladjustment *may* be justified. You are living in a fantasy world if you don't think there will always be ambiguity and judgement calls. The key is to apply the rules consistently and fairly in those cases. IMHO you cannot apply rules consistently and fairly if you are making calls based soley on judgement... Because it became a judgement call and that is open for interpretation by different people. The rule is set as it is for just this reason, it makes it equal for everyone. If GrandMaster Joe shoots a popper 7 times before it falls and D shooter Jane does the same thing, they both own the score. Equally. If it becomes a judgement call from the R.O., there is absolutely no guarantee that D shooter Jane gets the same call as GrandMaster Joe. *Every* rule call is based solely on judgement. That's why we have human RO's that can think instead of RO robots. If either GM joe or D jane has trouble with a popper, and inspection proves that the popper is drastically out of adjusment or broken and must be replaced or adjusted for the match to continue, then the call would be the same. I cannot agree with that at all. If you shoot a popper until it falls, you own the score per rules. Not a judgement call. You drop a gun during a COF, DQ. Not a judgement call. Rack your slide to fix a malfunction with your finger in the triggerguard, DQ. Not a judgement call. Now trying to explain what constitutes a popper "drastically out of adjustment", that is a judgement call. And there is no rule to support making this call if the shooter has put the popper down. It is not hiding behind the rules, it is enforcing the rules evenly and to the letter so that all shooters are treated the same. If you are going to play this game, KNOW THE RULES. It is not the job of an RO to stop a COF b/c he THINKS that a popper is out of calibration. It is on the shooter to know the rule, stop shooting the popper, keep going, and ask for calibration after. That is how the rules read, enforce them as such.

That's not a local rule at all. IMHO (and apparently in practice at national championship matches), the rules give the RO and RM some latitude to ensure the match is run fairly. If the shooter simply claims the popper was set too heavy, you can say 'too bad, no calibration since you shot it down', and move on to the next shooter. OTOH, if you examine the popper, and find that it was obviously set wrong somehow, and then you adjust it significantly, or you instruct the other RO's to change the way they have been setting it (with a forward-faller, for example) you have changed the presentation of the stage, and a re-shoot *may* be justified. This is a VERY different situation than the one you describe. I don't think any reasonable person is suggesting that people should be able to call for calibration after having to use more than 1 shot to drop a popper. I'm saying that if the popper (or any other prop or piece of equipment) was OBVIOUSLY improperly adjusted, *and you change that adjustment to fix it*, a re-shoot for someone who was affected by the maladjustment *may* be justified. You are living in a fantasy world if you don't think there will always be ambiguity and judgement calls. The key is to apply the rules consistently and fairly in those cases. IMHO you cannot apply rules consistently and fairly if you are making calls based soley on judgement... Because it became a judgement call and that is open for interpretation by different people. The rule is set as it is for just this reason, it makes it equal for everyone. If GrandMaster Joe shoots a popper 7 times before it falls and D shooter Jane does the same thing, they both own the score. Equally. If it becomes a judgement call from the R.O., there is absolutely no guarantee that D shooter Jane gets the same call as GrandMaster Joe.

Welocome, and Enjoy!!

One reason not to stop the shooter is b/c the RO does not know what ammo the shooter is using. Possible that the shooter is using underpowered handloads.

So where do you draw the line? What constitues a new shooter? Why does he/she get a break from the rules and others don't? What rules do we allow him to break and what ones do we enforce? I shot a local match recently and was squadded with a well know shooter. (Well known as on the World Shoot Team). And that person broke several rules and was never penalized b/c of their name. That turns as many shooters off to the sport as DQ'ing one for a safety violation. During that same match I was shooting a classifier and had a malfunction. I racked the gun with my finger in the trigger guard. I wasn't penalized but was told about it after I shot. I voluntarily withdrew. We cannot allow any rules to be broken for the "good of keeping people in the sport." It is doing more harm than good.

I have been shooting for a little over a year now and my opinion: Follow the rulebook. There is no rule that can be bent for new shooters, especially not a safety violation. It is a DQ, use it as a learning experience. I shoot at 7 different local club matches and at times it is difficult to know the rules b/c they are enforced differently based on who/where you are shooting. This is a detriment to the sport. If the rule says a dropped gun during a COF is a DQ...it is a DQ. If the rules says that by firing until the popper falls constitutes a legal run and you cannot challenge...then the run stands. You are not doing this sport any favors by bending the rules to fit your likings.

K.C Eusebio holds the record as the youngest Master (age 10) and youngest Grand Master (age 12)

Jesse Duff just became the first female to attain Grand Master. She did it in Open. Congrats to her!!

+1 here, change out the Recoil Master. I bought a Dawson CRP Edge last March as did a friend of mine. Both of our Recoil Masters broke within 8 months.

Entry fee is paid, squad is listed, room is reserved, now to keep practicing

If you can find the box, maybe we can find a deal.

Next question, Where can you find a Cameron BAM? I cannot find them for sale anywhere.

Ahem... I saw that thread but it is over a year old. Just making sure I was up to date with the available magwells.

To all those shooters with big hands, what is your preferred Magwell? Right now I am shooting an STI Edge with the Dawson ICE Magwell. My bottom 2 fingers end up wrapping around the magwell and I am not getting the grip I want. Thanks for the input

Realized that watching the Master Class shooter breeze through a classifier directly before me was a BAD idea. Made me think I could shoot that fast... and I cannot. Ended with a hit factor of 0.00. Yes, that was 0.00. Lesson learned.

4.5 Directly speaks about "Rearrangement of Range Equipment or Surface". 4.5.1 states that: The competitor must not interfere with the range surface, natural foilage, construction, PROPS, or other range equipment at anytime. I would think (just my opinion which isn't much) that removing anything from the ammo can (PROP) would be interfering with it. I believe 4.5.2 should have been used. Should have requested Match Officals clarify and correct so as to ensure consistency.

I would not consider that, arms RELAXED at side. But would be determined by the WSB.

+1 for that!!!but we all no they are not being enforced the same or shooters like her would not still be doing it! AGREED!

+1 for that!!!

I have been using the Inov-8 Roclite 286. They are super light, a mid top for a little more ankle support, gore-tex = waterproof, and great traction. http://www.inov-8.com/New/Poland/Product-View-Roclite-286-GTX.html?L=26

I would have a problem with any Range Equipment on Level II and higher matches that were not the same for every shooter. If it did not have the exact same path for every shooter, than how could you compare one shooter's time to another?