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9 hours ago, motosapiens said:
Good shooting! i console myself with the knowledge that the first two seniors in 2021 have 10+ national and world championships each, so they don't really count in my book, lol.
Its tough to be competitive and have a day job! LOL
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On 11/3/2023 at 8:42 AM, motosapiens said:
I shot 2021 and 2022 ss nationals (and brought home 3rd place senior trophies, hooray!). Obviously when you only have 8 rounds in the gun, you'll tend to find away to make a position 7-8 rounds. i remember lots of places where I could only shoot 4-6 rounds from a single spot, then move a few steps and shoot another 2-4 rounds.
I bet if you shot those same stages with 15 rounds in the gun you'd find yourself shooting 12-13-14 rounds pretty frequently between reloads.
I was 7th senior. No trophy for me.
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22 hours ago, motosapiens said:
if your local stages are all 8 round arrays, I'm sorry. that sucks. Our stages rarely break down that way. Stages at nationals and good area matches rarely break down that way.
The last two years at SS nationals most, not all but most, it was 7-8 rounds per position with more than one piece of steel.
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On 10/25/2023 at 5:13 AM, Makicjf said:
Will Prod 15 syphon off the Lim Min shooters at the local level? If that's the case, it will only leave the dedicated Limited shooters in limited.
Jason
Edit: I forgot to avoid A fudgecicle nobody but a few crayon chewers and winder likkers want
I dont get 15 round production. What good is that really? two arrays of 8 and 8 or 8 and 7 with steel thrown in.... you're still reloading.
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On 6/22/2023 at 9:42 PM, jwhittin said:
I haven’t done this yet but I’m going to try JB Weld mixed with tungsten granules and/or tungsten powder. Bought granules on eBay and powder is available on Amazon (it’s used to balance golf clubs). Who knew!
I’ve used JB weld on lots of 2011 grips with great results. I think this will work to add extra weight.
Did you do this? How did it work?
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10 minutes ago, Maximis228 said:
None of the above. Currently building a Venom Hybrid 9mm on a Cheely XWF, Cheely grip, Brass magwell. Shes gunna be a real fat pig of a minor gun.
Good god....
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1 hour ago, Boomstick303 said:
Is aluminum a choice for the grip? I think it is the ticket for 9 minor 2011 platforms.
Aluminum is probably the preferred choice I just dont have one in the parts drawer.
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Thoughts? I dont think I want a 50+ oz gun to shoot minor.
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I think the lightened slide is great info. Probably takes away the ability to flat top / tri-top or cut holes and the remaining material might be too weak.
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Is the Staccato worth the premium over a Prodigy. The only thing that matters to me is out of the box reliability and accuracy. I’ll make everything else, trigger, grip, overall weight the way I want. Just can’t see how the Staccato is worth an extra grand.
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Is the Staccato worth the premium over a Prodigy. The only thing that matters to me is out of the box reliability and accuracy. I’ll make everything else, trigger, grip, overall weight the way I want. Just can’t see how the Staccato is worth an extra grand.
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My whole problem with where things are going is this sport is (or was) based on three fundementals. DVC. Accuracy, Power, Speed. However, power is now gone. There is no skill required to manage recoil of 130pf ammo in a 50+ oz gun. Recoil control, managing the gun at speed, is an acquired skill developed from extended training. Its now just became a game of accuracy and speed. Its dumbed down. Marginalized. its like the tick tock of shooting. If your 23 and can run fast and are good at video games (putting the dot on target) you'll do well. Your grip can be ****, fundementals ****, but with a 53 oz gun shooting bunny farts you'll do well. Yes, Im just a bitter old man shooting Ltd major.
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On 4/1/2023 at 3:35 PM, zzt said:
I don't get this Lo Cap = 15 rounds nonsense. That's daft. 15 rounds does you no good. Even with 15+1 you have no extras when shooting two views. Since OEM mags hold 17, go with load to capacity. Then with 18 to start you have two makeup rounds.
OP, there is nothing you can do to increase SS participation, short of paying people to shoot it. The way things are going, all the participation will be in optics divisions. When my eyes said no more Limited, I switched to Open. CO wasn't a thing back then. When they changed the CO rules to be essentially Open minor, almost all of the Prod shooters in my area switched. Most of the Limited shooters also switched. I don't see anyone going back to irons.
Not every view has to present 8....
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Putting a popper behind a barrel is bad stage design all around. Recipe for reshoots
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Ahh. So “shoot the targets with only two shots each and then reload“ is only a guideline. Got it. That’s dumber than ****
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28 minutes ago, Cuz said:
I would assess 2 Procedurals:
One for not following the WSB:
10.2.2 A competitor who fails to comply with the procedure specified in the written stage briefing will incur one procedural penalty for each occurrence.One for the extra shot before the required reload:
10.2.4 A competitor who fails to comply with a mandatory reload will incur one procedural penalty for each shot fired after the point where the reload was required until a reload is performed.
After the penalty assessment, I would let you bitch and moan, and dance a jig if you wanted, for about 5 minutes then politely offer you the option to accept it and move on, or pack up and go home.The 2nd person to attempt the same thing will have less than 30 seconds to bitch and moan before being offered the same two options.
As has been mentioned before, if the stage being discussed can be shot the way it was shot with no penalties assessed, then there is a problem with the rules, and NROI, and they should be addressed and fixed.
I think its pretty clear a penalty under 10.2.2 doesnt apply....
But one under 10.2.4 does.... because of the words "only two rounds per target".
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21 hours ago, EricJ said:
What class did you take where it was stated that we are to "assist the shooter" in safely completing the course?
8.6.2.1
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14 hours ago, Johnny_Chimpo said:
I think I'm going to ask NROI about what they consider to be under RO supervision.
The only instance that I can think of, which doesn't require the make ready command, is when an RO is summoned to recover a firearm dropped outside of the stage boundaries. Someone dropping a firearm during the course of fire is, by definition, already under RO supervision.
I have written NROI. I still believe (at least its unclear) that you can unbag at the start position under direct supervision of the RO (BEFORE MAKE READY). Otherwise, the last sentence of 5.2.1.7 is meaningless.
"Failure to point the muzzle at a side berm OR BACK STOP during casing / uncasing.... will result in a DQ per 10.5.19" My reasoning is...
- You can't uncase pointing at the back stop in front of the side berm. Therefore
- Pointing the muzzle "towards the backstop" must refer to uncasing away from the side berm i.e. maybe the start line)
- It has to refer to uncasing BEFORE "make ready" because you can't get DQ'd AFTER "make ready" for pointing it somewhere other than the back stop (like say a target somewhere downrange).
So what they MUST be saying is that under the direct supervision of an RO you can uncase pointing at the back stop but any other action like removing the chamber flag playing with the optic, etc. has to wait for "make ready".
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3 minutes ago, RJH said:
Here's a tangent that only has to do with the "under the direct supervision of an RO" portion of this thread.
I have more than once, while under the direct supervision of an RO, unholstered and bagged my pistol in the middle of a bay. Obviously since I am bagging my gun this is not under make ready. This is generally done at the end of the day and I am fixing to help tear down or something like that and it saves me the walk to the safe table.
I don't see any issue with this, but maybe there is one.
Whenever we bag handguns after a stage or end of the day an RO gives a "make ready", "unload and ..... etc.. This is clearly stated in the rules.
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1 hour ago, Johnny_Chimpo said:
The rule is crystal clear to anyone who reads it in its entirety without trying to parse words or be selective.
You have three options as to where and how to unbag
- At a side berm with the muzzle pointing directly into and within 2 yards of that side berm
- At the backstop (downrange berm) with the muzzle pointing directly into and within 2 yards of the backstop
- Under the supervision of a Range Officer with the muzzle pointing at the backstop
The last bullet is when you bring the rifle in its case to the start position and you take it out of the case, while its pointed directly downrange, when the RO says make ready
There's nothing to interpret. It's black and white.
In this case the shooter uncased at the side berm with the muzzle pointed at the backstop and nowhere near close to 2 yards from the backstop. The 2 yards requirement is to severely minimize the chance of someone being downrange of the uncased rifle. You can't be 2 yards away from the side berm, with the muzzle pointed at the backstop that is 30 yards away like this guy did. Instant DQ
The only reason I didn't DQ the guy in the OP instantly is because I didn't remember the "pointing at the side berm" part of the first bullet. My fault but you can bet it won't happen again.
OK but me an Boomstick are talking about a different situation. Specifically, when you walk to the line can you uncase pointed at the back berm before "make ready"? The rule says you can uncase under "direct supervision" not after "make ready". They could have written "make Ready" in the rules but didnt. And in fact the next sentence, which basically says you cant do anything gun manipulation other than uncase before "make ready" has no purpose if you're not allowed to uncase in front of the RO before "make ready"
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53 minutes ago, Sinister4 said:
IN local matches around here ( 4 different clubs) all have a side table at the side berm for PCC, we all unbag there, go vertical and then await the RM command to make ready, never any issues never any problems.
Agree Same here. My issue is we all seem to agree on what the rule means, although it doesnt seem to say exactly that.
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The side berm has nothing to do with this issue. You're saying that you can only bag pointing at the back berm after "make ready". Why doesn't the rule say that then? It only says "direct supervision" which is undefined. They could have written "unbag pointing at back berm after make ready".... and didnt.
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2 minutes ago, Boomstick303 said:
You may want to go read 5.2 of the USPSA Rule book again. Read all of 5.2.
Exceptions are just that, exceptions. So if you're allowed to uncase under "direct supervision" pointing to the backstop you dont break the general rule of 5.2.1 In fact I'm more sure of it now because of the last sentence of 5.2.1.7 Why even write that while uncasing pointing at a backstop if you do more than uncase you still DQ under 10.5.19?? This sentence is meaningless if you're not allowed to uncase until "make ready". For it to have any meaning you have to be allowed to uncase under direct supervision, get the make ready command, and then you can do all the other actions.
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On 1/9/2023 at 8:29 PM, Boomstick303 said:
DQ.
They way I interpret the rules are as follows:
Essentially allows the shooter to case/uncase their PCC without the supervision of the RO to get ready when the shooter is on deck. Obviously they would not be able case/uncase against the backstop when the bay is active.
I am sure you are aware but for others 10.5.19 does not allow for any other gun handling except to case/uncase.
"All other gun handling with the PCC, e.g., sight pictures, turning dots on/off, etc., must be accomplished in a safety area or under the direct supervision of a Range Officer."
Essentially this is when the shooter brings his PPC cased to the line when they are ready to shoot. I see this as a pretty common occurrence at indoor matches since there is no side berm. They are not able to uncase until the make ready command is given by the RO. Unless they are within 2 yards of the backstop, which would be a super rare instance like if the start position was at the front of the bay.
From what you described he should have been DQ'd the second the PCC was uncased without being within 2 yards of the side berm or backstop.
Im gonna have to disagree with this, after reading the rules. I know we've all "applied" the rule to mean unbag after make ready. But 5.2.1.7 says "PCCs can be cased / uncased ...under the direct supervision of a RO with the muzzle pointing at a backstop. Was he not under "direct supervision" of an RO? I think he was. If the rule was ment to say "uncase only after Make Ready" it would have said that. When someone cases a PCC after "if clear, hammer down, flag" with the muzzule pointing at the back berm are they still not under RO direct supervision. I think so. The commands do not include "bag it". If they are still not under a RO's "direct supervision" bagging while pointing at the back berm after the stage would be a DQ too.
IMHO the rules dont call for a DQ here. If you're not allowed to unbag until after "make readt" they would have said that.
My answer to production 15, or locapping on the cheap
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