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I have a G19 Gen 4 and am picking up a G34 Gen 4. I have not had the 19 very long and only shot some factory loads through it. Now I have my reloading stuff for it but also cast my own bullets for my 45s (non Glocks). I will watch the barrels and if they are leading much, I'll switch them out with a KMM probably so I'm not concerned about that yet. Question is I have read different opinions on the feeding in the Glock 9mm's. As I will have to buy molds I would rather give myself the best chance of success the first time. I like the Lee molds but am not the type of person who has to buy the same thing all the time. I have narrowed it down to 3 choices. TL356-124-2R (micro band, 124 grain, 2 Ogive Radius), TL356-124-TC (micro band, 124 grain, Truncated Cone), or the 356-125-2R (125 grain, 2 Ogive Radius). What do you guys think? These are just for plinking in the yard. I have read a lot about the SWC not loading well in the Glock 9mm's. Is this really the shape of the bullet? Or can it be fixed by playing with the OAL? I've never done much with Glocks but really like my 19 which is why I just ordered the 34. Have always shot the 200 grain SWC in my 45s and been happy...almost just hunted up one for these pistols but seems like I'm glad I did some reading first. Thanks for any advice. And it doesn't have to be one of those bullets.

That is what intrigues me about it. A guy could just toss it in a 5 gallon bucket and go. Maybe someday I'll find one at a discounted price and give it a shot.

I have read a lot about that. Seems that I read somewhere that N310 and N320 were both good. What I remember reading was that one of them was good for both calibers, and the other only really a good consideration for 9mm. Can't remember which was which and no reason was stated. What is the difference in those two powders? Still wondering why a powder would be good for 45 but not for 9mm or vice versa. Probably will pick up an 8 lb jug of W231/HP38 or Clays if I can ever see one of them....and then I will be less anxious about the next shortage and can wait patiently until I see some good ones to try. That will also give me some time to develop some loads in my guns with the small variety that I have and make a better decision for me/my guns as I am learning about the powder differences. I really want to settle on at the most one for 9mm and one for 45 to "stock up" on...all things in time. I have the quick change setups for both 9mm and 45 acp for my Dillon 550, so changing it out isn't bad at all. Thanks so much for the advice

You are correct. If I'm going to do something, I would rather do it right and have better stuff to do it. And knowing myself, once I get a bit more proficient shooting, I might begin to do some competition. My biggest fear on that is that I am incredibly competitive and afraid that I would go a bit overboard on guns.....practicing.....matches.....though I'm sure that none of you here have that problem at all. cough cough

Thanks Alan, I'm assuming that Expansion Industries is the mfg. Not listed on Powder Valley. Can you only get it from Expansion Industries? Looks like 4 lbs is the biggest jug. I'll have to find somebody else that wants some to try out to split the hazmat fee....generally order from Powder Valley and have a few friends go in with various things.

I think if you do a search on this forum you'll probably find more users of ETR7 with some load recommendations. I use it for 9mm, .40, and .45 with no issues. Here's the interesting part: the same adjustment on my powder measurer throws the same weight of ETR7 as it does for VV N320, i.e. 4.3 gr of ETR7 is same as 4.3 gr of N320. The ETR7 throw may be a touch heavy, but since it's my practice round I don't really care. Chrono testing, both powders with a 125 gr Leatherhead RN are in the 130-132 PF range and the Std Devs are about the same (i.e. Good). The above is nice when I switch powders since I don't have to worry about adjusting the powder measurer, me being lazy and all. I get mine from Leatherhead Bullets since those guys are local to me. LH gets it from some stateside distributor (IIRC, ETR7 is made by some Spanish company). I will definitely do some research on ETR7.

Interesting as I have never paid attention to fast or slow. Just used my manuals, started towards the bottom and worked up until I got something close to what I liked. As stated, almost always used 700x as the person who got me into reloading many years ago used it....he was a competition shooter so that might explain the 700x. The rest of the list came mostly from this forum, so that probably explains why they are mostly powders that competitive shooters use. I'm very careful when loading so that part doesn't overly concern me. So I have picked "competition powders" and didn't even know it or that they were mostly fast burning powders. Kind of why I started the thread was to learn more about powders, what makes them different, why use this one instead of that one, what makes one a good 9mm powder, what makes one better for 45, which ones are good for both. There is such a wealth of knowledge on here that you guys share so freely....person who does not listen is seriously missing the boat IMO......

What is the determining factor in how much of a particular powder goes into a load? Say 124 LRN for 9 mm...if Powder A takes 4 grains and Powder B takes 5 grains to get to the same FPS....what is the difference? Is it the burn rate alone?

So if I ever settle on one powder....I'll probably have 2? One for 45 and one for 9mm?

ETR7....see that is what I'm talking about. I've never heard of that one. If you guys can use it to practice with......I can use it almost full time. lol

I get the powder is not the same measurement ..... I've been reloading for lots of years and just always used 700x. I only shot 45s and it was recommended in the mid 80s, if it ain't broke why fix it philosphy. Correct, I'm not trying to make major or make sure I stay in minor...none of that, just having fun shooting in the yard. I have checked a few manuals for various loads. Always shot 200 grain LSWC in the 45 and will probably go with 124 gr LRN for the 9mm but not totally decided on that one yet. Would rather use a powder that I can use 4 grains than have to use 6 grains. Slower powders, faster powders in these 2 calibers.....which one uses less powder and more powder for the same bullet? Showing my ignorance here but like I said, I just always used 700x....... trying to learn. The game plan was to load several with the assortment of powders I have and pick a couple but our present leader makes me nervous as you never know when the next "shortage" will be manufactured.

I have the following powders "in stock". 1 pound of HP38, Clays, Clays Universal, Titegroup. And 4-6 pounds of WST and 700X (which is what I used to use all the time and loved it...only used in 45 ACP though). So I don't need to buy something tomorrow, can be patient for a while but don't want to be patient and then have another incident make almost all of them disappear for 8 months. I am getting way back into reloading and shooting my pistols, took too long off for one reason or another as life gets in the way sometimes and also supply shortages. I will now be shooting 9mm and 45 ACP about equally. Been doing beaucoup reading on the "favorite powders" and have a list of about 6 to buy "on site"(WST, 231, HP38, 700X, Bullseye, and Titegroup) and 6 others that have gotten a lot of favorable reviews (Clay Dot, Red Dot, Clays Universal, Unique, Solo 1000, and E3). I am not trying to get a "what is the best powder thread going as everyone has an opinion and everyone has different needs/expectations. I get that. My question is simple one, lol, I do not shoot competitively and just plink in the back yard. I plan on plinking a lot but am not making hunting and/or competition rounds. Is there that much difference for what I am doing between these powders? Or even others that are on my honorable mention list such as CFE Pistol, Autocomp, AA#5? They all make a bullet go boom and punch a piece of paper with somewhat reliable accuracy...don't they? I ask because I am going to buy in the 8 lb jugs when I start seeing these powders available. For instance, Powder Valley has Clays Universal right now in 8 lb jugs....would I notice that much of a difference? Several pistol powders available most of the time but just not the "all time favorites". I hate to wait 6 months to find 231 if one of the "lesser powders" will be fine for me. Sorry for the ramble but am curious as to the answers I get on this. Thanks

Thanks for the tips and thoughts. My main reason that I think I liked the brass magnet was it appears to be more like my bait throw net as far as material. Gathers up nicely. That is my complaint about using a regular tarp. I suppose that a sheet or drop cloth would do the same or similar. For those of you who have gotten the mesh tarps, do they gather up well or do you have to fold them up like a regular plastic tarp? It just sounded easy to pick it up and throw it in a 5 gallon bucket when done.

Living in the country I have the advantage of being able to walk out my door to shoot when I want. It is great except for trying to retrieve my brass. Rifle brass, all of mine are bolt, is no problem but the 9mm and 45 acp.....not so much. I really don't like spending the time it takes to find 75% of them each time. For those of you who shoot on grass, how do you find it? I have been doing a bit of research and the Brass Magnet seems to be an awesome deal except for the price. Wow....$160 plus $18 shipping to get a 8' x 12' mesh tarp with some weights on the side. Great concept. I have tried the regular tarps but living on a hill, the wind is always an issue. I see some people use mesh tarps from Harbor Freight and so forth but again you would have to cart weights around to keep it from taking off. There are a bunch of resourceful people on here....so how do you guys do it? And has anybody actually tried the Brass Magnet? Most of you guys move around while shooting. I don't, not at that level yet. I like to just pick a distance for the day and go out and plink. Probably shoot 500 - 750 rounds a month. Thanks for any insights,

They show as 24.99 online at Cabelas. Are they cheaper in the stores? Or is your store having a sale on them? I love about 2 hours from the Kansas City store. I would drive up there is they were under 20.

I have always used either Federal or Winchester large pistol primers. In looking online I can find Winchester and some places have Federal but I can find the Sellier and Bellot primers several places. They are almost 30% less. What is the general verdict on them? Never used them and am not against trying something new if it can save a few bucks. If ordering several it would add up. I shoot 9mm some and mostly 45 acp....no matches as I can't shoot with you guys but do alright punching paper in the yard.

I did not know that, thanks for the info and I will keep that in my scouring info. I used to shoot 500 to 1000 rounds a month plinking in the "yard". Have a new rubber mulch bullet trap so if I can get fixed up with some powders I like I can be set up pretty good as I cast my own 200 gr LSWC.

Thanks for the link. Obviously I had not looked there. I don't mind the price but shipping is a bit much. I'll give a few buddies a call and see if they need anything and maybe split the hazmat and shipping.

I found an old container of powder that I used when I loaded shotgun shells that still has a couple of pounds in it. The label says Winchester Ball Powder Super Target AA. Is this the same thing as WST? I can't find anywhere that WST is followed by the AA. Just curious if I can use this powder for 9mm and 45 acp loads as it is not listed in any of my loading manuals, tons of references to just plain WST. Thanks, Keith

I have not reloaded in a few years. Right about Sandy Hook time I was ready to start up again, got a bunch of stuff from Brian, sent my Dillon 550 back to Dillon to get refurbished. Got it all set up and then couldn't find primers or powder for 6 months and gave up. Last week I started looking again for powders and can't find W231 anywhere or 700X which is what I used to use a lot of. Are pistol powders still that hard to find? Primers I found on Powder valley and stocked up a few, but those two powders are almost non existent in 4 or 8 pound jugs. Hate paying the price at 1 lb apiece but may have to. Am I just not looking in the right places for powder? Anybody know where a guy can score an 8 pound jug of either of those? Thanks for any insight.....the stores in my small town have not had a 22 bullet in them for 3 years. I still don't understand that one. Keith

i have a glock 19. Is it all glocks that you cant use small rifle primers? I also have a 9mm Cougar, would it work with the rifle primer? Thanks Keith