RolexJohn

Back in they heyday of 3GN, I shot 3-Gun nearly every weekend. Where I live in Ohio, we had a local 3-Gun match every weekend of the month. Now I shoot maybe 1 to 2 matches a year, and there's really only one monthly match that's less than an hours drive for me. Here are a few the factors as to why I don't shoot much 3-Gun: -Match time is definitely and issue. -Shotgun is not an issue. I actually came to love shooting shotgun in 3-Gun. -The death of 3GN really hurt the appeal for the sport to me. I really felt connected to 3GN. -Long distance rifle is a bigger issue for me than shotgun. There is nowhere within a 2 hour drive that I can shoot appreciably further than 200 yards. So I would HATE long distance rifle at the majors I shot. I miss the 3-gun of old. I wasn't half bad either - I was starting to crack the top 10 locally, and our area has a lot of great shooters. Maybe next year I'll shoot more 3-gun and less USPSA and Steel Challenge.

Wow. I just got back from the World Speed Shooting Championship. I certainly didn’t expect that this thread would still be active. Actually it’s not vital information or at all relevant. Except to demonstrate how much volunteer effort I put into the match beyond just being an RO, and was still treated poorly. And for the record I declined the customary concession of being “comped” for the match. I paid the same match fee that everyone else did. I never saw a WSB while carrying in walls. Yes, when carrying in and setting up walls, we deliberately placed the one wall with the port that had a hinged door in a specific position on the stage. It did appear as though the intention was for the port door to be closed. But when your squad walks into the room where the stage is set up, and the port door is open, and someone asks “ does the port door have to be closed?” and you read the written stage brief to the squad, which does not state the condition of the port door, what do you do? Particularly when you’ve got four certified ROs and the section coordinator all in agreement that if the condition of the porch door is not specified in the WSB, then it’s up to the shooter. But speaking of omitted details Larry, I notice that you failed to mention that when you rolled up on your cart to ream me out in front of the entire squad, myself and my squad were rebuilding the classifier stage that the squad before us had torn down before our squad had a chance to shoot it. I wonder how that possibly could’ve happened? The entire match was quite the dumpster fire of administrative problems. Hard to believe an MD and CRO with all the years of experience you’re always quick to remind people you have could have allowed such things to take place. It’s also laughable to suggest that this is the first complaint you’ve ever received. After you drove away on your cart everyone just shook their heads and said “ that’s Larry.” Some were heard to say “that’s why I will never RO a match here.” There’s no shortage of people that I’ve talked to that have an inexcusable story about some run in with Larry. I said it before and I’ll say it again. I don’t think I made a bad call, and what I did was supported by the rules. I think there’s an argument that can be made that I should have gone out to find Larry to fix the problem in the WSB. Radios people...radios. Particularly if there’s not going to be an RO walk through. The larger issue here is how Larry chose to handle it. Hopefully he chooses to hand over the reins to others sooner than later. I’ve heard way too many stories like this one that of happened other people. As far as I’m concerned the matter is closed. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

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Just looking for some outside perspectives, which I got. In some situations like this, my mind is changed. In other cases, its galvanized. This happened to be one of the latter cases.

No, it wasn't. Which I would agree that it probably should have been. When I turned in the timer and the pad at the club house, the match helpers were discussing giving each of the shooters on my squad a procedural for not shooting the stage with the port door closed. I just shook my head. "How do you asses a procedural for shooting the stage exactly as it was described in the WSB?" Apparently they recognized that option was not the correct one. Nathan has it right - deviating from the WSB would have been the wrong thing to do. There was no random decision or "winging it." The rules don't support the RO altering the WSB either. Those that have stated that getting the MD/RM would have been the more correct way to go here. I don't necessarily disagree. In this situation, there was no good decision - running the stage as written had negative consequences. As would further delaying the match by chasing down the MD. In the same situation, I'm not sure I'd do it differently. If there was an absolute wrong here I think its how the MD/RM chose to handle it. He could have simply said, "next time make sure you come find me" and that would have been that. I would have taken it as a lesson learned for a new RO. Instead, the only lesson I learned is that I'll never again RO at this club while this guy is the RM.

Well, I wouldn't describe this as "winging it." Again, it was Easter Sunday, and this stage was already causing backups. You can say that valuing expediency over competitive equity at a Level I was the wrong call - I'll accept that. The larger lesson to be learned here, I think, is how important it is that RO's have radios.

Bad ones will roll up to your stage and pitch a hissy fit...ask me how I know...

I don't disagree with your interpretation here. The match was held on Easter Sunday. I made the decision that given it was a level I, expediency on a stage that we had already waited 20 minutes to shoot outweighed other considerations.

I'm a new RO (at least in USPSA) and recently made a somewhat controversial call in a level I local match which I'd appreciating here from others as to how they would have called it. Our squad came up on a stage (the match was outdoor, but this stage was set up on the indoor range of the club) which had a port wall and a hinged door on the port. I believe the intention of the stage design was, more than likely, to have shooters start with the port door in the closed position, necessitating shooters would have to first open the port door before engaging the targets beyond it. The problem was that the WSB did not specify the condition of the port door. Our squad had a brief discussion on this point, but I and the other 4 certified RO's all came to the same conclusion - without specifying the condition of the port door in the WSB, it was up to the shooter as to whether the port door was open or closed. We ran with it open. Now, in a perfect world I would have called the MD/RM and he would have changed the WSB on that stage. The problem was that I had no radio with which to call the MD/RM, and didn't know where on the club property the MD/RM was at this time. Hunting him down and getting him back to the stage would have likely taken at least 20 minutes, and that stage was already a choke point in the match. Two stages later the MD/RM rode up on his cart and vigorously expressed his displeasure with my decision...in front of my entire squad. His position was that the condition of the port door didn't need to be spelled out in the WSB...it should have been obvious. Did I make a bad call?

That's awesome to hear as I'm a Gator (1992). Do they offer any scholarships to the team members? -John

Please let Mark know that I sent you when you place your order. [emoji2] -John

It's really a matter of personal preference. The one below on my MPX PCC is a 15", but Mark Isler says some guys do order it in 13.5" - it's all about the look you prefer:

I've been shooting the SIG MPX for 3 years - first, the MPX Carbine, and now I also have a MPX PCC which is my backup. I've tried a few GMR-15's and have never been remotely motivated to switch - but I'll admit the JP's are purdy. Both of my PCCs are equipped with aftermarket parts from both In Lead We Trust and Isler Custom Gun Works (both are sponsors). For a trigger, I run the Hyperfire Competition (haven't changed the trigger out in the MPX PCC, which is quite good). Yes, do keep it clean - but both carbines have been extremely reliable for me.

In my case, I shot my first local USPSA match in CO and thought the 10 round capacity limit was dumb. Didn't shoot any more USPSA that year. The following year the mag capacity changed, and I started shooting more USPSA.

I will say that I side with those that feel that stage design should be division agnostic. The people that have problems with the PCC division because stage designs have changed are misdirecting their ire IMHO. This isn't a PCC problem. This is a MD problem. Again, just my opinion. The notion that promoting PCC somehow creates unskilled pistol shooters I think stems from the silly notion that shooting PCC requires no skill. Reloads still take practice. As does shooting weak/off-hand. As does operate a PCC accurately, at speed, and not violating any safety rules (breaking 180 for example). I'll also state that I think it's counterproductive from a 2A standpoint for there to be so much division hate/bashing. Yes, a PCC is a very practical defensive weapon. I'm grateful I have the opportunity to shoot competitively with one in USPSA. Ultimately if the gun grabbers win (which I think is more likely than not) a good part of the reason why is the practical shooting community tends to be a circular firing squad at times. If you're a safe shooter, you exhibit good sportsmanship, and you help reset, you should be embraced and supported in the community.

Not at all. Of course, that sport already had rifles (rimfire) before PCC. But I've also found that Steel Challenge is more of a "family crowd" and less ego driven than what you can sometimes run into in USPSA. There is also (at least within PractiScore) the convention of reporting results in the "main match" which is defined at the Centerfire pistols. That makes it a bit easier to see how you compare with other centerfire pistols shooters.

Doesn't Clemson have an action shooting team? I think there are a handful of schools that do and offer scholarships. USPSA or NRA might be of more help. I'd call them directly.

I heard a rumor that Mecgar was going to be selling spring kits this year for many magazines they manufacture...might be worth checking into.

I typically do the same with my MPX. BUT, CDNN has 10 round Gen 1 MPX mags for $14.99 ea. So I just ordered 5 to give this method a try. Perhaps being 30 rounds lighter will make a difference.

Admittedly it’s not easy. I got lucky when they first came out. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Nice. The best feeling trigger I've ever tried is the Elf line of triggers - 3-Gun and Match specifically. A local 3-gunner was sponsored by them for a brief time so several of us local shooters tried out his trigger in his gun, and really liked it. But nearly all of us experience problems with Elf triggers in our AR's. That's when I went to Hyperfire and I haven't looked back. It's NEARLY as good from a feel perspective in my book. Using the silver springs, everyone I've ever seen or spoken to get's a 2ish lb. pull...or less in your case.

According to my sources in SIG, the gas system is unchanged, but the bolt carrier and recoil system is changed slightly. The new carrier has a pivoting op rod which should reduce carrier contact with the upper, as well as some improvements so the charging handle won't drag on the lower receiver which only caused cosmetic issues but was a point of contention for users. The new bolt carrier/recoil system is fully compatible with gen 2 receivers, gen 2 barrels, and gen 2 magazines so there won’t be an official generational change, just an improvement. -John

Your point is well-made as the Timney will no doubt be better than the original factory MPX trigger. Personally, I'd rather it come without a trigger and a $100.00 lower price tag. Trigger's are an intensely personal thing so no matter which one they choose, there will be discontent. But I suppose the Timney will be a nice backup trigger. I don't know what a "top end" Hyperfire trigger is. But I have the 24c and the newer Competition Trigger (formerly known as the 24c) and both pull in the 2lb. range.

“We’re actually producing the new PCC down on the line right now, and they should begin shipping shortly.” Based on this I’m hoping within the next 30 days. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

Do look at the SIG Romeo 3 - it's quite good.