I've bought the new Frankford wet tumbler and like it a lot so far. For my 9mm I ran the cases through once with just water, Dawn, and lemishine. This cleaned them real well so I wouldn't gum up my dies. I then deprimed and resized them before another pass through the tumbler with pins. The pins are a pain to separate but I've worked that out mostly. I know it's not necessary but the nice shiny brass makes me happy and the primer pockets are very clean. Also for anyone that's looking at wet tumbling, the Frankford tumbler will hold 30lbs according to the manual