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I can see 15 in CO, if you are going to create another orthopedic low skill level equipment division you might as well jump in with both feet.

Interesting input. Is it known for a fact that IDPA had a long term negative effect on USPSA membership? Just looking at things locally it seems like it brings a lot of people in that migrate to USPSA.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7761796 Seemed interesting.

I'm on my second and last pair of Sordin supremes. What my ears tell me is that they do the worst job of noise reduction of any ear muff I've ever owned (including $20 Walmart non amplified), also the gel ear pads do not last very long and the electronics on my first pair lasted maybe 4 years max. Based on my own hearing impressions in the field (ok shoot - now let me switch back to these others - ok shoot) , they are just not a good choice if you need something for indoors or for being around the really loud guns. For shooting 9mm pistols outdoors and similar I think they are ok. As others have noted, double plugging is a great way to go but this can be more practical for the shooter than for the r.o., also my current Sordins clamp voice amplification at something like 82 d.b. (memory) so they are not great at boosting low volume voices to compensate for the plugs. I think they created their own NRR rating because they look bad when compared to the better hearing protection, which my ears tell me is the case.

A complete divorce, and the resultant cost savings to USPSA always made sense to me. For the 1% or whatever that choose to participate in both sports they would be out a duplicate membership fee but I do not know of any other downside.

Point taken!

My vote is for pcc 15, it is fun to watch most of those guys try to reload!

Seems like there is also a not insignificant number of folks who shoot on both sides of the US-Canada border.

Not sure if you are serious. If they were contemplating a change like that I hope the first step would be to poll the membership. A second step might be to fund the purchase of all guns from people who prefer to shoot 40 minor & could not load to 15 rounds .

Thorough and clear. Thank you!!

Now that USPSA has made the division official a lot of the pcc folks are busy petitioning for inclusion in trap and skeet. I suspect you you will see them return to pistol matches after the shotgun match issues are ironed out.

Have a steel challenge match Sat & USPSA Sunday. Like the first shot advantage for the latter & really like it for the former. Agree that deep seated winchesters will work, just prefer the best that I can get.

" Stock I has a cylindric barrel,113 mm long, that can get excellent results also using coated tender ammunition bullets." Can anybody out there translate Tanfo add type to English? I'm assuming both the Stock 1's and limited pros will be traditional button rifled barrels? Not sure why they would feel a need to mention coated bullets, some Tanfo's can't shoot coated lead like bayou & sns & etc. ?

Thanks!

A 6 pound pull in a wheel gun is the same as a 6 pound d.a. pull in a semi auto. I checked the math twice.

Any idea when it will make the USPSA production gun list?

Will be very interesting to see some independent comparison testing. Some shooters can make major power factor 40's & 45's appear to be extremely flat shooting so the video I'm taking with a grain of salt for now.

No debate. Not sure that the hero runs hurt anybody except the person that chooses to over classify. If somebody has A class field course skills but wants to compete against folks with M and GM class skills (for example) at matches I do not see the harm to anyone else. Now if there was a cure for sandbagging, and I only know 1 person that deliberately abuses the system that way, I would think it would be good for the sport as a whole. (And I haven't read the other thread yet)

Really not. Find what works to get a fair spread of people in the classifications according to skill level & then don't screw with it. Like handicapping is used in every other sport I can think of.

Anything that close and I will stick the gun in a freezer for a couple hours and make sure it works cold. May not be an issue here or for shooting conditions where you live but sometimes it can be a thing.

I'd peel off one more layer. What is the purpose of a classification? In the rest of the world it is to make competition the most fun for the greatest majority of participants by giving people a chance for friendly competition against other people of similar abilities.

How did this thread get Amish all of a sudden?

Likely what you would expect I suppose. My best 6 on the USPSA website are all classifiers that have hit factors that have now been raised 10% or more. Darn glad I did not class up when I got close last year.

Therin lies the rub for many of us. It would be nice to know. Worthwhile considering the cost of the rest & other issues, I do not know, but nice. Have toyed with the idea of buying the rest & offering it as a rental tool to try & recoup some of the investment.

I think we vote on people who we think will do the business needed to keep things running smoothly, and we vote on people who advertise changes they want when they are asking for votes. Beyond that, huge changes out of nowhere are always going to create unnecessary angst & not necessarily suit the best interests of the majority of the membership. It is not at all hard to advertise what changes you are considering, communicate the pro's and cons, and give the members a chance to weigh in and feel like their interests matter. As a side benefit it would add an interesting page or two to the USPSA publications which sometimes seem in need of more content.