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Unfortunately, NRA isn't what it used to be. Not even close. I spent about 10 years on the board of directors of a large private club (2k+ members) with multiple ranges/disciplines, and NRA was very helpful in designing upgrades to our rifle and shotgun ranges. But, that was 15+ years ago.

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Is that a new thing? I've been using N320 since they started importing it 20+ years ago, and never seen green powder.

Sorry guys, major brain fart on my part. And you're are absolutely right. Revolver rounds get longer not shorter. Back when I used to shoot at public ranges, one time a guy showed up in the stall next to me with a Ruger Super Redhawk in something like 454 Casull or 480. Figured I didn't need to be around for that, so started packing up. He fired one round and the cylinder locked up.

Crimp for revolver rounds is completely different from semi-auto. Revolver rounds, especially for magnum loads, typically use a roll crimp to prevent setback from recoil. That's why revolver bullets often have a cannelure. Semi-autos use a taper crimp and rely on adequate case sizing to prevent setback. What's shown in the pictures above is perfectly fine and will make no difference in accuracy.

Yeah, but one's a true custom gun built the way you want it, and the other is production gun, with basically no options. I know which one I'd pick. And it's not a close call.

If you look at the SAMMI recoil formula, the only thing that changes felt recoil for a given bullet weight is the burn rate of the powder. Also, heavier bullets require a smaller powder charge. These two facts back up what's widely acknowledged; that the combination of heavy bullet and fast powder results in the least felt recoil for a given power factor. At least for a non-compensated gun. As for what to shoot, some heavy bullet combos get to the point that they actually feel sluggish. Some folks actually prefer lighter bullets for a more snappy recoil and faster return to target. It's all personal preference and what works for you.

Well, it's not like he can put the material back and start over.

So along with doing away with the power factor requirement, we should do away with the "practical" element as well?

Low ports, prone, and shoot thru barrels were very common back in the day. Also, timed standards. Single stack nationals used to have timed 50 yard strings.

This is correct. Those advocating minor only seem to ignore the fact that power factors for most 9mm defensive ammo is way above USPSA minor. And by a significant amount. Most are in the range of 150, and some are even higher than that. No doubt bullet design and shot placement help bring 9mm closer to 40 and 45 in terms of real world performance. But the amount of kinetic energy (a factor of velocity and mass) impacting the target will always be a key factor.

Point is, it hardly matters with minor pf and a dot. Basically, it's a foot race/obstacle course where you pop off some rounds along the way. Really not much different than SASS. And with the growing contingent of LARP types, it's basically turning into SASS for the tacticool crowd.

Let's just do away with power factor requirement all together and make all the targets 7-10 yards. Like SASS. Seems like that's where things are heading anyway.

Very sorry to hear this. Major loss for WI and A5.

Pretty sure that long guns can also mail out of state to an FFL.

Sorry, missed the part about them sending you a label. It's perfectly fine to do it that way w/no FFL.

Both UPS and FedEx have implimented policies that restrict unlicensed individuals from shipping firearms. USPS also prohibits nondealer shipment of firearms through the mail. So, although federal law specifically allows unlicensed individuals to ship firearms to a manufacturer or gunsmith for repair or modification, and to receive the item back without going through a dealer (meaning no new 4473), that's no longer possible with the big carriers. It has to be shipped by someone with a special account and they won't give you that status unless you're an FFL.

Fall Classic in Rolla MO the past couple years they had volunteers from Ft. Leonard Wood reset stages. Cost them nothing and military folks got community service credits for doing the work. Good deal for all involved.

It's a ten month old thread, and OP hasn't been back since. Just sayin'.

There was a production requirement for Limited. This is the 7th ed. 1995:

Sorry, I just don't see either of those justifying an entire separate division, which is exactly the same as an existing division, except for a certain type of gun that offers no real competitive advantage. Particularly when we have too many divisions and too many Nation championships already. Personally, I think the best suggestion so far is still four division: Minor Irons, Minor Optics, Major Irons, Major Optics.

No idea why this is a problem. If it's not 2011s, it's gonna be something else. And if people like to shoot 2011s, and they do, why would you want to discourage that? You're right. Forgot about that. Well said.

They did the .40 min for major mainly because they knew if they didn't people would load 9 major for their Limited guns, which they thought would be a safety issue. As for .40 being a dying caliber, I think that's overstating things a bit. There's still a LOT of brass out there for relatively cheap, and although it's not nearly as popular for a carry round, it's still in use and commercial ammo is still available. It's not anywhere close to .38S situation. Just seems there are plenty of divisions to shoot minor pf already, so some of us just don't see the point of adding more. Like I posted above, CO and LO are essentially the same thing, except for SA in LO, which is no real advantage. So, what's the point of having two separate divisions? Haven't seen a legit argument for that yet.

I'm referring to your comment that new divisions should be geared toward cheap off the shelf ammo and cheap highly available production guns. That's not what most CO shooters are running these days. At least not in these parts.