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Mine would occasionally have issues with the cheap bulk ammo at Walmart and the "Top Gun" version sold in 250rd cases......in the area of 2-5 per 250, but always during a match. I switched to Federal Premium and all issues instantly went away.I tried Winchester universal bulk ammo at Walmart and had just as many issues, if not more. The hull felt thin, weak, and unstable compared to the AA hulls. After trying all of the above and more, may favorite shells are Winchester AA's ($79/case at Rogers Sporting Goods then $20/case rebate) and paper hulled Federal Premium ($79/case). The paper hulls don't quad load multiple times well, but they smell different when shooting, and not in a bad way.

Found some rail pieces in my parts boxes......now to see if any of them for my Lancer handguard! :-) Got an email today......but it was empty, so suspecting I received the email equivalent of being "butt dialed" by Mr procopio. Haha

Won't miss this match this year.......I booked my hotel before the match registration was even released, just hope I booked the correct date.

Thank you good sir

I would like to humbly ask for measurements from 3-gunners in TacOptics and Open. Could you give me the amount of CLEARANCE between your scope and the top of your upper receiver, from the bottom most edge of the eyepiece to the top of the receiver. Please include your scope brand/model and scope mount. I have something in mind that I need to know what parameters are available. I am not a paid site supporter, so I won't release info here once it becomes available (not asking for free advertising).

Fixed it for you! Now your just making him feel bad Good job at the match Dillon Thanks......but he is messing up my fish story. It was a half mile away if it was an inch!

Registered! Last match this previous weekend was great. Rifle spinner at 100-125 yards was a new experience and happy I was able to walk away from it without being upset at myself. Lots of options target, a little bit of choice on what gun you could start with on a stage or two, great steel targets, the right amount of paper targets......don't miss the next one!

Great first match and look forward to coming back.

The new caddies I hinted at already have a name! Awesome, can't wait to try them out! Haha

Tim sent me some of these and I got them in yesterday afternoon at work. We had discussed the changes that these have incorporated in them back when Tim was set to release the original Deuling Deuces. Since we closed on our house Wednesday morning, these kinda fell to the back burner until today when we got to a friends house to stay the weekend to attend a match, set up a Dillon 550, and let the kids play. I finally got them out while chicken was on the grill and decided to get a little practice in before running them in a match tomorrow. With everything attached to my chest rig and one for my belt on a TekLok, I got a good 20 minutes of practice in. Within about 5-10 minutes I could tell that the design prefers a simple grab and angled pull instead of how I typically rolled my quads out rims first, effectively eliminating a process/movement in my load. Within 10 minutes, I was easily under 4 seconds. With 20 minutes of practice, I asked my buddy to video a run to send to Tim to let him know I liked the caddies. The video is below and I plan to do a new video, maybe with some match video mixed in, once I have a chance to really get some time with these bad boys....and from my new gun room no less! :-) Here is what I'll say about these caddies, and the others that I have on hand right now that I use, in case you are looking at various options when it comes to what you could buy. Dualoads: I've had these and passed them on to other shooters who needed something to start loading with. Great, inexpensive, but less attractive option for someone who isn't looking to compete at a high level, but go out and have fun. Dual load/load-2 only, is reliable and simpler for most beginners, even with minimal modification to the shotgun. Low price point is the main attraction.....a Chevy Aveo isn't up for a beauty contest or drag racing title after all. Original Quaload: Simple, effective, fast, and what I learned Quad Loads with. They aren't overly expensive and with the newer clip design, there is little chance for a shotgun shell yard sale. Pull from the caddies is directly perpendicular from the caddy, and fastest/best method I found was when the shells are rolled out of the caddies top first. I've been able to push 3 sec reloads in practice and have been under 4 sec in match conditions IN THE RAIN at the US Amateur match in 2013 with these caddies. These are a solid option for chest rigs where you have room for 5 Qualoads for 20rds, and a good option at belt level with a backer plate you can attach. 8-up Quaload: Simpler design to get 8 shells in two sets of quad loads. A little more expensive than the Deuling Deuces, but more of a one piece design than the original Quaload. These have been a staple on my belt for awhile now, and belt level is where I prefer them due to the wide footprint and my preferred curved nature of my chest rig. Shell retention is excellent while the pull still does not require excessive force. Angle of pull is perpendicular to the caddy, and works best for me with a top-out approach. Deuling Deuces: I got to see the design before Tim put these out and we discussed why the shape was needed and how the idea of how the caddy would work would be different from everything else. For load-2 method or quad loads, they are very cost effective and pack 8 shells in super tight. The reason for the shape is to allow the pull of the shells to not require any top-out approach, and to not have the angle of pull perpendicular for your belt/chest/caddie, but instead at a more ergonomic angle. I have a couple of these and can get just under 4 second reloads with them. When I try to go faster, I get greedy with my grab and sometimes knock a shell off the third row. My best usage for these will be with specialty shells where I may need 2 at a time, or 4 at a time.....or 4, then 2, where I can set up a quad load followed by a load-2. When Tim and I discussed these caddies, I immediately liked the angled pull without the shells tipping top-out, but wanted a center gap like the 8-up Qualoads. These are great at belt level for anyone loading two or four shells at a time. The shape obviously caught some attention, but after getting them in hand and seing other caddies in person, it's apples and oranges. NEW split style Deuling Deuces: Tim listens evidently! And these rock. I'm hoping to switch almost everything of mine over to these caddies. The retention is good and comparable to the 8-up Quaload. The gap in the middle isn't large enough to make the caddy massive, but large enough I don't disturb the next set of shells when getting aggressive. The angled pull feels natural and smooth as part of a backstroke from my chest rig or belt, then to the loading port. The shells come out clean and fast at that angle. Cutting the "top-out" move from the equation, and having the angle of pull in my stroke to the loading port, instead of pulling the shells out perpendicularly, seems to cut 1-2 "actions" from my load, making economy of motion seem like an easier task. Even with minimal practice lately, I was under 3.5 seconds within 20 minutes of practice and firmly believe I could spank a 3 sec par time with an hour more of practice or less. With the slight aesthetic change and more obvious pull angle difference, there is no way you will mistake this caddy as any other out there right now. This is a new beast in the shotgun loading race and I think it's gonna tough to out load anyone who puts a little time in with these. The wider footprint limits me to 16 shells on my chest rig and adds some flat spots to my normally rounded chest rig, so you can guess what I'm hinting to Tim that I would like to see right? I'd love to see these split into 4-up Deuling Deuces to mount 5 of them on my chest rig for 20rds without my belt get being in the equation! Bring on your biggest and baddest shotgun stages! I REALLY wish Tim could have gotten these designed and to me for the Rockcastle Shotgun match. I was elated to take 6th out of 115 in standard division, and win two stages (the two longest stages that required lots of loading and movement) there.....but I have to wonder if I could have done even better with these! The video is short and to the point. I normally try to keep my elbow in tight, which should cut my time down a little further.

Mine was first focal plane and the reticle disappeared completely at 1x when trying to shoot fast. Illumination wasn't daylight bright. The scope didn't "disappear" at 1x when you went to start shooting like how my Vortex does. I always "saw" the tube when shooting if that makes sense.

No kidding.....who wants to shoot against THAT group of geezers! In jest there of course, but the majority of shooters at the club level will be in TacOps and the majority of shooters at a big match will be in TacOps. Same gear and guns with the exception of optic. If your club does not post scores where you can both see how you compared against your division AND overall, then shooting TacOps will probably give you a better idea of how you are comparing to the local talent. If you have the false notion of always trying to cover your match expenses at the prize table at a big match, you will typically fair better at the prize table (if you are competitive, not mid to lower pack or top 10) if you shoot TacOps. I personally have 3 uppers for my .223 match rifle (TO, TI, .22 waiting to be built) and a .308 for Heavy Optics. I shoot whatever division looks like it would be the most fun for that particular match, or based around that matches rules. I use an Aimpoint T1 for tacirons, but have considered playing with a Prismatic due to my astigmatism that makes my T1's dot look like a teardrop instead of nice and round. I have a couple PA red dots that are on a beater AK47 Draco SBR, 4.5 .22lr AR upper, and one sitting waiting for a .22 practice upper that is gonna be built. I would trust them for practice and maybe a local match, but would never take them to a big match and expect them to work.

had one.....sold it. Here is what i would recommend. Use what you have now, save up more money, then "buy once cry once." This is my experience with optics.... "I can get by with this and do just fine!" <---$250 Millet Then I get my hands on something a little nicer and something really nice, checking both of them out..... "I'll sell this quick at a small loss and get this nicer scope, but can't justify the really nice scope" (sell $250 for $200 to put towards Bushnell 1-6.5 for $900ish thru range membership) .......then I get to play with the really nice options, better glass, better 1x presentation, better illumination and play the SAME game again, selling the Bushnell, then Spending $1200 for the Vortex. I got lucky and got the Bushnell at a discount thru a range membership for around $900-950 and SWFA gave me something like $850 trade in value I think, so I lost $50-100 more for having it on my gun for two matches, then sitting in the safe. I did the EXACT same thing with pistols.....G17, G17 plus parts, G34 with parts, G34 with more parts, Zev Tech G17L, and now custom 5" 2011 sight tracker. If I had known how much blood could be lost with a process of small papercuts, I would have taken the big hit on day one!

Those of us who responded early from invites......should we go ahead and enter through the registration process, or will we receive an email with attachment?

I have 400 yards on my practice range with a rooftop prop at the furthest distance. I've hosed paper in close, run up the prop, and proceeded to knock down two MGM 42" poppers at 300, two MGM mini-autopoppers at 200-250, an 8" round gong at 350, and various sized steel at 400 (two IPSC sized steel and "drop" plates that are 8"x20", 12"x18", and 14"x14"). I noticed no stringing issues, but was only running around 10-12rds in close (FAST), then another 10-15rds at distance with a cadence that was meant to be as quick as I would hope to shoot in a match. For 3-gun, I don't see it being an issue with this barrel. The recoil with the 16.5" rifle gas barrel on my Tacops upper is SOFT, even compared to my 16" mid gas voodoo barrel on my Tacirons upper.

More COST as well..More FUN too.

I think you are going to see a few big outlaw matches die off, some of them rightfully so, some of them due to a packed schedule with more attractive venues at the same time.I think you will see tiered matches similar to how 3GN does club, regional (with semi-pro), and pro series matches.

ULW system is delrin.....if needed, shave ~1mm off the buffer length to exact length of the standard carbine buffer and recheck?

I'm running a 16.5" rifle gas voodoo barrel, Syrac genII block, Taccom ULW buffer, and RCA lightweight carrier without issue. If your gas setting is wife open and you're still getting those problem with mid gas, I would suspect the gas block to be slightly misaligned. You should be getting more gas than my gun. The gun locks back with M193, but not low power ammo like wolf/PMC. Keep in mind we are tuning these guns closer to the edge, and running less consistent or weak ammo may induce problems.

I see what you're saying. I was referring more to the people around here, than as a general statement, but the referral is what makes me wonder about other areas too. We all have our natural inclinations, mine is towards 3-gun. I guess I have a different way of looking at it tho. I shoot USPSA because it helps my pistol skills for 3-gun, and have therefore joined USPSA as a member as a result. I would love to shoot more long range and precision matches, not just because they are different types of matches or the fact that I love pushing distance with my .308, but also because it will help with long range targets in 3-gun. Up until the end of May, I would only attend an all shotgun match to help in that department for 3-gun, but had so much fun at the Benelli shotgun match that I wish i would have signed up for more. Hello new sport to pay for! I guess if my only concern was pistol, I wouldn't be inclined to test rifle and shotgun skills since that isn't as likely to transfer skills back to USPSA, where my desires rest.

I started with 3-gun, and because I wanted to get better with my pistol, I now shoot USPSA. I definitely do not miss 3-gun matches for a USPSA match, and will not schedule a major USPSA match in place of a major 3-Gun match....but if it weren't for 3-gun I wouldn't be shooting USPSA. Now I enjoy both disciplines and find that shooting one seems to help with the other, and vice versa. As for prize tables, it may draw in those top guys with the prospect of taking home a gun instead of just a plaque and a picture, but 75% of the shooters who show up are not leaving with a gun unless they go to a match like FNH! Most of us shoot 3-gun because we like the complexity of shooting ALL THREE guns, trying to master all three, and trying to plan a stage where each portion of the stage plan has to be based around the limitations of each individual gun. At USPSA matches, I typically have my stage plan in a matter of seconds, since i only have to worry about a single gun after all! Of course, I shoot limited with my 3-gun pistol so reloads are pretty simple and easily planned.....but try to plan where to reload your shotgun, while moving, to avoid lost time. As for scoring, I understand both sides of the argument. Here is what I experienced. I was used to shooting 6" and 4" square/rectangle steel while walking and moving on my practice range and at matches like those at Rockcastle, when it came to shoot A-zones at 2/3 the distance, I had difficulty slowing down to a "USPSA" pace to ensure I got a SECOND A-zone hit instead of a C or D. Now that I'm shooting both, I find that when I try to be fast, I'm hitting two alphas but I'm working my way towards always being comfortable/confident enough to do that. When I go back to 3-gun, I tend to open that speed up and go a little faster knowing my first shot is usually in the A-zone and I could afford a second shot Mike. I was talking with a local match director and he is constantly amazed that nearly every USPSA shooter he shoots with, has an AR15 and a shotgun that could work or a friend who would loan them one, yet rarely do they accept the invite to try 3-gun. On the flip side, when several of us were invited to come try USPSA, we jumped at the opportunity to try a pistol only match where we only had to bring one ammo type, one set of mags,..... I often wonder some times if the USPSA shooters who don't even want to try 3-gun are used to being at or near the top, and don't want to show up to find themselves mid-pack or worse. I know, taking top 1-2 at local matches and top 15-20% or better at 3-gun majors, I expected to dominate most people at a pistol match and was humbled to find that I was MAYBE better than 60% of the people there! Being humbled pushed me to do better at USPSA tho, and has translated into me doing better in 3-gun.

I used a single shot of 1-1/2 oz 7.5's of regular lead shot at 1500fps in pheasant loads without flight control wad or flight stopper shot at Rockcastle's Shotgun match. They required 7.5 shot or smaller with the intent to limit potential damage to the targets, and I'm not sure that damage was necessarily avoided with my ammo. I won that stage by an ok margin, and if my 10 second penalty for dusting a no shoot isn't present, I still would have won that stage with 3-4 shots on the spinner, but that one shot spin have me a nice advantage!At Midwest 3-Gun two years ago, I shot the match with a SuperNova for my first major match as an RO. The spinner had killed me during monthly matches there, so I brought an extra full turkey choke and 3.5" turkey loads with the largest shot size allowed....#6's. After I spun it in one shot.....and it spun and spun and spun...several people checked out the hull and word spread fast. By the end of the regular match, the target had to be retired permanently, the top and bottom arms were bent backwards and didn't allow a square hit anymore......the bearing wasn't even a concern anymore. In designing stages for this years MW3G...it was one target I refused to consider using. The other was the clay flipper on poppers since clays didn't flip up consistently and unbroken each time.

Registered!

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Proof positive that your real shooters will always do well when faced with adverse conditions! I watched several top times on the long range stage in the middle of the rain when targets weren't as easy to see....including a solid run in TI!