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You could also consider 8.7.4, interference with the scoring process. Penalty is a procedural or consideration of 10.6, depending on circumstances. But then again, pre-pasting is probably more often a mistake than deliberate. The RO's dilemma is how to tell the difference.

Truth is - we need actual data here. I've got some. 9 major, 124 gr PD bullets, WSR primers, 6.9 gr WAC, 4x fired range brass bought at $30/k = about $144/k. Same, with 8.6 gr 3n38 = $167/K (add'l cost is in the powder). .38 SC, same bullets & primers, 8.9 gr HS6, 5x fired brass bought new at $150/k = $170/k. Same, with 9.8 gr 3n38 = $185/k (add'l cost is in the powder). Same, with 124 MG bullets (and 9.8 3n38) = $192/k (add'l cost is in the bullet & powder). So, first, the difference between the 9 major and .38 super rounds with the same powder and bullet is about $18/k ($167 vs $185). That's "slightly less expensive", not "many times less expensive". Second, this isn't a "totally artificial case" - these are my numbers, and they apply to real-world shooting. I mean, I've bought this stuff and shot it, in some quantities. I collect my brass during practice and can pick it up at local matches, depending on my mood. The deal here, basically, is do you want to use "cheaper" brass and not feel guilty when you leave it on the ground? If so, you have the option of 9 major. Do you mind chasing brass at local matches? If not, you can shoot .38 with good conscience. Otherwise, you can go 9 major. But, if you're picking 9s off the ground, that's not so different from picking up 38s (which are actually slightly distinctive in their shape and color). If, however, you have minions who pick it up for you, more power to you (although that doesn't make it a "better caliber"). Data is great, isn't it? Helps to clarify things.

No such claim here. The claim being promoted out there is that 9 major is somehow vastly less expensive or easier or better, but the Nats numbers say it's close to even. Its an expensive division no matter how you cut it, and saving a little on brass won't change that. Shoot what works best for you. BTW, I own, snd shoot, both 9 and 38. If I want my best score, I go with 38. Flexible, reliable, more stable dot (again, for me). The 9 is my backup and practice gun. I've loaded .38 brass up to 12 times, and some say you can go farther than that. Worrying about giving up brass worth $25/k or less is a false economy, considering the overall cost. And I default to "expensive" VV powder for match ammo in both calibers, because it works best - for me.

Have fun! No regerts

How is it "absurd" to compare brass prices? Okay, you brag that you never bought a piece of 9mm brass. That's nice, but so what? You're spend your time scrounging brass and then sorting it to weed out the bad ones, and you don't know where any of them came from (once-fired, 8x fired, 9 major, etc.?). That's okay, if you're comfortable with that. On the other hand, time is money, and some people would like to know where their brass came from that they're shooting in a 1400 fps barrel. Again, shoot what works for you, but don't put down those who do it differently.

Here we go again. Do you practice? Shoot that $120/k .38 brass once in practice, and now it's worth $60 per thousand shots ($60/k; calculates as $120 for once-fired divided by 2 firings). Do it again, now it's $40/k. Again, now it's value is $30/k, if more it keeps going down. I've not seen $8/k range brass (which, BTW, you have to spend time sorting), here it's more like $20 or more so $8 isn't exactly a fair comparison. Again (for the millionth time ), do what suits you best. Don't listen to anyone who says "this is the only "right" way. After all, at Open Nationals this past March some 53% of the competitors shot .38 (Super or SC) and 46% shot 9 major. Not a tilt either way but certainly not "9mm dominates".

That's the idea...

You might try slowing down on the first stage. I used to foul up the first stage, about every time, and.figured out that I'm pumped up for the match but not yet dialed in, so I go too fast and make errors. I slow it down a notch and get the hits but not the Ms and Ds and no-shoots (well, mostly).

Well, that settles it, once and for all ...

^^ Nicely said

And this is where? And who's been doing the insulting, from the beginning?

Great runs! Is this 147 gr lead? What's the OAL? Any barrel holes?

Why would you assume that? Reading this thread makes it clear that they're not the same. RTS2 v4 works, Nikko doesn't. How could they be the same?

Probably best to go with RTS2, the "real thing".

Interesting. 21% used the DPP in Carry Optics Nationals this year. Not overwhelming, but it's still 1 in 5. Over at Open Division, it was 29% RTS2, 20% Slideride (about 49% C-More) and 11% DPP. Wonder what the difference in preferences is about? Marketing? Personal preference? Forum chatter?

No, not a bit (Shadow and SP01 Shadow). Are you personally having a problem with returning to battery after installing a 10x bushing? I haven't heard of anyone having such a problem. not to worry.

Thank god. He's going away. (Or is he?)

Awwwwww...

Nothing useful going on. Sarcasm and insults to those who disagree. Yes, lock it.

Amen! +1 ^This! Truer words were never spoken! ...aaah, you get the idea... An entertaining discussion. Lots of "alternative facts", but entertaining nonetheless.

I'm a fan of Flitz. Polished my Shadow and SP01 Shadow internals (after progressively finer grit wet-or-dry and some Cratex), both run smooth.

This is, indeed, great comedy. Like Sundance said, "You just keep thinkin', Butch. That's what you're good at."

For me, with my gun's and shooting style... - Lens is closer to the bore, much easier to find the dot (esp. in odd shooting positions) - Little likelihood that ejected cases will hit the sight and bounce back into the ejection port and jam the gun (esp. helpful with 9 major) - Battery lasts a lot longer

The chances? Slim to none. But keep beating it to death. We need entertainment in these confusing days.

I've been using Wolff 7# variables on two Open Major guns for some time, no problems. For me and my guns, it helps the dot track better.