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Ok. This post is only vaguely revolver related, but I'm a revolver shooter looking for advice from other revolver shooters.
I've been an active practical shooter for 3 years now and I've never shot a match with anything but a revolver. I've shot other divisions, but always with my 8-shot before the rule change. In the past I've said I wouldn't shoot anything but a revolver until I was classified as an A. I recently made A so I'm considering adding a new division. I know most of you shoot other divisions so I wanted to bounce some thoughts off you.
Limited would be my first choice, but the recent magazine ban in Colorado limits me to production, SS & L10. I don't actually own a bottom feeder legal for USPSA, just a Colt Woodsman and Walther PPK/S. There isn't a lot of competition in L10 locally so I'm looking at Single Stack and Production.
Single Stack provides an opportunity to play with Major scoring, and as an 8-minor shooter this seems appealing. There are a lot of widgets for the 1911 and there is more opportunity for gunsmithing. I am a professional gunsmith, and spending some time with the 1911/2011 system would probably be a good thing. The triggers are very good but they operate differently than the revolvers I'm used to. Single Stack Nationals does currently pair nicely with the revo nats.
I wasn't really looking at production until Sunday when I shot a buddies Glock while practicing. The trigger felt very familiar but my splits were .12-.15, half of what I shoot with my revo. I was very impressed with a gun that has had nothing done to it except a 3.5 connector and different sights. There isn't really much to do to a Glock in Production division, but after fooling with everyone else's guns all week that might be a plus. With the 15 round magazine restriction in Colorado, I'd be looking at shooting .40 loaded minor. I really don't care for the 10 round magazines we have to sell with the 9mm guns, but the .40 caliber guns are available with standard magazines. There are more people shooting Production locally than Single Stack so that's a plus too.
Movement is my Achilles heel in USPSA. I think coming into a position with my eyes up instead of looking down at a moonclip dropping into a cylinder would allow me to work on other aspects of my shooting. The 1911 appeals to me, but my experience with double action shooting potentially gives me a leg up with the striker fired guns. I may end up with both setups, but not right now. I believe that marrying yourself to one piece of equipment is the best way to improve. What else do you guys shoot and why? What is easier to learn to reload, the single stack with a magwell or the big opening of a double stack production gun?
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If this division comes about, I would expect the power factor would be set below major. With a lower power factor, the 4" barrel is largely a non issue.
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I would be more pleased with this development if you would stop beating me in matches.
Seriously, it's nice having someone at the same level to complete against locally. Congrats on making A.
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I can definitely sympathize with that but I think I would rather tolerate that than have the stage designer start tossing in mandatory reloads or weird target engagement requirements just to make it 6 shot neutral. Let me reload when I want and manage my ammo the way I want.I kinda like the 6 shot neutral rule, it's nice having extra ammunition in my 627. Sometimes shooting every USPSA stage like it's Virginia count gets old.
Really? I've never shot a stage where someone required me to reload to keep 6 shot neutral. 9 shots are 6 neutral.
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As delivered from the factory your revolver should pop Winchester primers. Have you turned the strain screw out or otherwise lightened the springs?
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I kinda like the 6 shot neutral rule, it's nice having extra ammunition in my 627. Sometimes shooting every USPSA stage like it's Virginia count gets old.
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I've considered shooting my 625 at the ICORE monthly match for fun, but I wouldn't shoot it at a regional unless my 627 went down and I didn't have parts to fix it. I believe the advantage goes to the 627. If we had to make major with both guns I believe the recoil of a .357 would even out the advantage of 2 extra rounds.
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A Toyota on its worse day, is probably better than any US produced truck on its best day.
I believe the Toyota trucks sold in the US are produced in the US.
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Huh? We had more revolver shooters at the Rocky Mountain 300 this year than SS and L10 combined. This is a match where the minimum round count on each stage is more than 60.I was just reading about the status of USPSA Revolver.
Since they allowed 8 shot Minor revolvers to compete with 6 shot Major revolvers, first, everybody had to have an Eight Shooter. The low recoil and extra shots were worth more than Major scoring.
Then people quit caring and revolvers of any sort became scarcer than ever.
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I line my vise with aluminum angle iron as soft jaws. Sometimes this leaves an aluminum smear on the part, so I line the aluminum with business cards when I do sights.
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Nice setup.this will do just about anything.
Never had a problem with a good vice, punches and hammer
I gave up on sight pushers. You cannot make as fine as an adjustment as you can with a punch. You have to build so much pressure to overcome the friction in the dovetail that it usually overshoots the adjustment you're trying for.
Even night sights generally have a spot where you can tap on them with a punch with no damage. Use an aluminum punch to make the adjustment and take the aluminum smudge off with a little piece of kratex.
I put my M&P's front sight back in place with a brass punch and a vice with newspaper on the jaws. The world didn't explode like I thought it would
Maybe I'll finally fit some Dawsons this winter after all. -
I cut the chamfer on my 625 using a .500 counterbore. I located each chamber with a coaxial indicator. After touching off with the counterbore, I think I only brought the table up like .010 or .015. The chamfer only needs to be big enough to allow the edge of the crimped case mouth to not catch. If you go too deep with a .500 cutter a lip will form as you run out of cutter width.
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I've been buying powder a pound at a time. My customers have been very helpful in finding me powder when they're out looking for themselves. Last week I found an 8 pound jug of bullseye at the local Sportsman's Warehouse, so I guess I'm OK for the next 10 thousand rounds or so. I've made it a point to not but the powder I don't use. Everyone buying whatever they can find is the root of this problem.
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I have no problem with unforeseen situations. The wind comes up and blows over half the walls? What the hell, we're all here lets shoot. But I have a problem with poorly planned stages. A little thinking can usually fix most stage ideas, and that fix usually makes for a better stage with more options.
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It seems like a number of people that shoot other divisions have revolver setups for steel. How do we get them out to shoot revolver?
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I really liked what Carmony did last summer with the Midwest ICORE regionals. One day we shot 10 stages with ICORE rules, the next day we shot the same stages with USPSA rules.
2 days, two big matches. It was fun shooting 38 on Saturday and 45 on Sunday.
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Nice setup.this will do just about anything.
Never had a problem with a good vice, punches and hammer
I gave up on sight pushers. You cannot make as fine as an adjustment as you can with a punch. You have to build so much pressure to overcome the friction in the dovetail that it usually overshoots the adjustment you're trying for.
Even night sights generally have a spot where you can tap on them with a punch with no damage. Use an aluminum punch to make the adjustment and take the aluminum smudge off with a little piece of kratex.
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I load all my match ammo with a single stage press. That said, with my work schedule I average just two matches s month.
There is a book called "the ABC'S of reloading" that I found very useful when I was getting started. I recommend it for every new reloader. The forum here can be very helpful with tips, but better to learn the basics from a well thought out book.
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The Lewis system sounds great until the guy you finished in front of goes to the table well before you. The random draw is a better system.
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A 3 day match sounds great, but Memphis is a long way from Colorado. Illinois or Reno is about as far as I'll drive.
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I just bumped into this on the Doodie Project:
http://www.mailermailer.com/x?function=view&c=167054059e-af2c97a6%2A1094951L-15c69567
If true, if this the end of the 625 in competition?
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As a revolver shooter I will pay extra for brass sorted by headstamp. Only certain brands of brass fit my moonclips, paying extra for sorted brass is cheaper than throwing most of it away.
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Your 1911 fits very nicely into single stack division where the 9mm guns are allowed 10 rounds. Holsters are restricted in single stack so your current rig will likely work. The main difference is that you will want a minimum of 4 mags for each stage. 4 on the belt and one in the gun would be preferable.
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Welcome to the board. Loading those calibers makes you sound like a revolver shooter. We had 3 revo shooters at the Aurora match today, and there's a few at the Pueblo match each month.
Maybe I'll finally fit some Dawsons this winter after all.
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