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Everyone should be reclassified each time the PST's are changed. Otherwise the classification system becomes meaningless with people in classes they no longer have the ability to shoot in.

Best choice is don't run comps on 22's. If you shoot a lot they are a pain in the Butt to keep clean. You don't need one.

Zack (1) Rule 5.3.1.2 says nothing about not being able to take a sight picture when moving from one box to another on showdown. If anything the rule does allow for a sight picture on every run. (2) All rifles must be cased reference rule 5.3.8.3 and 5.3.8.4 in it says that the long guns must be cased after inserting the flag.....but 5.3.8.7 says they can be carried in a " 3 gun cart" ......does that mean if its in a wagon it has to be cased. This rules contradicts itself in the current rules. It needs to be clarified and rewritten one way or the other. Either cases are required or they aren't.

Bad Targets are the biggest culprit in bullet pieces coming back at the firing line. Either beat up steel that is cupped or steel that has bullet dents are both dangerous and should be replaced by minimum AR400 plates. The worst targets are those that don't have a smooth face I.E bolts heads or hooks of any sort showing through will splatter back at the firing line. The collegiate steel challenge program has outlawed clubs from using any plate that has any thing sticking through it. They are safer. At large matches...multi day...it is best to put hay bales at the base of the plates. It stops the build up of lead and jackets at the bases from being thrown back at the line. I honestly don't know why any club uses targets with bolts through them or hooks through them. They don't ring and they hide the bullet hits and they are unsafe. slow cast bullets are far more dangerous than jacketed. The soft cast bullets just don't come apart on impact as well as jacketed bullets

Totally agree. SCSA needs to have RO Classes. It would help a lot. Our rules are much simpler than USPSA and the courses could be one day. Rick If it doesn't say something is not legal in the rules then it is legal. Ask the RO exactly where it says that in the rules. If he can't show a rule supporting what he says there is no violation.

Yup perfectly legal, Like Scott said It is a big problem with RO's making up rules. The best way is to know the rules yourself so you can enlighten those that don't know. Another issue is shooters saying "ah It's only a local match it doesn't matter." It does matter. play by the rules so its fair to all. If during your make -ready you happen to fire the loaded gun...You get DQ'd So it would be advisable to change your make ready regimen. Unless you are shooting a gun that can be cocked without racking the slide. I know a shooter that during his make ready he takes an unloaded run through, then loads a mag and cocks the hammer and takes at least one more run through then loads a round in the chamber...perfectly safe and he gets the feel of the loaded gun. Just another way to do it.

Zack the aiming point is critical. It should be stated in the rules that it is 24" high. There is a heck of a difference from one match to the next when some are putting it on the ground and some at two feet. "Aiming in the general direction isn't a legal start" The shooter must be pointing at the start point. If It doesn't matter then why in the center-fire divisions does it say wrists must be visible above the shoulders" Because there has to be a minimum acceptable start point. Remember every sanctioned match is a qualifier so they should all be set up the same. We are not playing horse shoes......close enough doesn't count here

The current ruling say approx 2' high. That is vague and allows for ground level to whatever. Why can't it just be 2' high

<<An aiming point no more than 2' high will be placed in front of each shooting box 10' forward of the box>>> This wording allows the aiming point to be anywhere from ground level to 2' high. This is the current DNROI ruling. It is still vague

only problem is nobody can really practice because there is no set height. This is no different then a match director saying all centerfire shooters have to start with your hands in your pocket....No one practices it but that is how you have to try to shoot your best times and maybe the next stage we'll shoot with hands at your sides. Doesn't make a lot of sense to tell half of the sport there is no set start point.

Thanks I knew about Caspian but I wanted to stay with the square trigger guard......oh well just gives me an excuse to build on the Caspian frame. Ordered a few today.

We need to have a set height for the aiming point. One match has them on the ground another has 24" high. There is a huge difference in the start position. This should not be left to a directors choice. it makes the stages different from one match to the next.

Does STI make an aluminum Single stack frame?

Nimitz They won't sell USPSA, Offers have been made.....Maybe nobody has just offered enough?

Painting has always been an issue at large matches. Competitors need to understand that if they don't take the time to check the edges they are just giving someone a free hit instead of the penalty they earned. Personally I won't claim an edge hit that isn't in the area where I broke the shot. .......

I spoke with Troy 2 years ago about starting SCSA RO Training....... Many steel shooters don't shoot USPSA so we don't need to be trained as RO's for that. It should be a separate class also. Adding it into USPSA isn't an issue but we need to get as many shooters trained as RO's as possible. Knowing the rules and differences of each game is critical. An RO at a large match stopped me mid string and told me my holster was illegal (in Open division)...because he didn't understand SCSA rules....Instantly screwed up the stage because now I had to defend what I was doing to an untrained RO. I would never volunteer at a USPSA match....I don't shoot it and don't know the rules.

Currently If you weren't given the opportunity to appeal a miss then it must be called a hit. The only reason for a reshoot is failure of a timer to pick up all shots or range equipment failure.

OR Have the guys at SJC install it.......They did a couple for me and they turned around in less than a week.

Edge hits have always counted, and should. You really need to talk to some of the shooters that were around in the late 80's and early 90's. Todd Jarrett, Rob Leatham, Bruce Piatt.....Back when we still had beer companies interested in sponsoring....IE the Miller Invitational

If an RO fails to notify the shooter of a miss before the next string is fired then he can't give the miss. Because you never gave the shooter the ability to prove otherwise. The shooter always has the right to protest a call.

This is against the rules. If the RO awards a miss to the shooter he must tell the shooter immediately so the shooter has the right to protest. It must be checked then before another shot is fired.....Because once more shots are fired you can not tell which one is what.

Zack they are simple to use. The critical part is getting the scope set at 60" above the shooting box and leveling the scope. It has to be perfectly level or you will not get the targets right. You can find Transit levels used on Craig's list all the time from contractors going out of business unfortunately. If you set your home range and mark the target positions you will only have to do it once.

Karl is using a Transit Level, I know this because I am sending him mine to use at the match. He knows how to use it. Zack I would suggest you have someone walk around and write down the length of each 2x4 before the match starts so you will know what replacement stick lengths should be when they get shot off. On a separate note setting the stages should be a requirement not a suggestion.

Tom e Whats interesting is someone who thinks he knows everyone and their motives. I shoot mostly rim-fires. I also shoot open and PCC. If you have nothing constructive to add to the conversation just be quiet instead of attacking people you don't know. My reason for liking the finger outside the trigger guard is two fold. Safety and to stop the cheats because it is impossible as an R.O. to tell if a shooter is touching the trigger. It is real easy to see if their finger is inside the trigger guard. Why..... to level the playing field..... in the end what ever the rules committee decides I will play by those rules. That is the only way for it to be fair competition. There is no lower type of competitor than a cheat.

I don't know why people think USPSA and SCSA should follow the same rules. The two sports are totally different. Just because you don't want to spend the money to build a gun specific to each sport doesn't mean the rules should be changed. Shoot what you have that fits the divisions or buy/build it and quit whining about it. Some rues do need to be added back into the rule book and most of the changes are good ....Like the rimfire rule for no finger inside the trigger guard.... Would you go to an IDPA match and demand the rules be changed so your gun or holster set up fits a division you want to shoot it in. NO You shoot the division your equipment fits. Just because USPSA now owns SCSA doesn't mean they should be the same. As far as the classification system, it is a good thing. It lets the competitors compare themselves to others on an even basis. The only problem is the rules don't state that all targets be 60" high at the center of the plate as shot from the shooting box. (except Pendulum) The problem is when a range is flat they will look correct but when the elevation changes even a foot the targets will not appear as the should. I have shot ranges where we had to dig into a hill side to set a target only inches off the ground to get it set at the right height from the shooting box because the range elevated that much. If you just set all the targets 5 ft off the ground and don't account for the change in elevation then the stage won't be correct. Any changes in elevation of targets from one club to the next defeats the whole purpose of setting the stages the same all over the country. They need to be the same to have a fair classification system.