Danforth

The stage was basically stage 3 of the classifier, slightly modified. So, P1 was a bianchi barricade requiring 6 rounds from one side and 6 rounds from the other which was forced by a visual barrier. The stage description only required a RWR at any time before moving to P2. The question, as a general issue, remains: Does a reload with the gun at slide lock (empty) where the magazine is retained, qualify as a RWR or is it an 'emergency reload'?

Mac, I'm still not clear on where you stand on this. First you state that you agree with the letter of the rule but, then you imply that the gun being empty or not is irrelevant to the action required. Did the shooter comply with the mandated RWR or, did he earn the P by shooting the gun to slide lock?

The requirements for a second reload were not mandated. Stage called for 18 rounds. Only ESR & SSR (REV) shooters had to make a second reload at P1, as per the standard rules. Everythings else aside, the question/issue is: by an exact letter/word reading of 3.4.1 and 3.4.2, where a reload with retention has been mandated in the COF, if the shooter runs the gun dry to slide lock but retains the magazine when reloading, is that an 'emergency reload' or does it satisfy the requirements for a 'reload with retention'? The arguement given and held by the MD that, as per 3.4.2, a reload with retention requires the gun to be partially loaded (round in chamber) as well as the magazine being retained. Since the gun was shot empty to slide lock, there was no round in the chamber and therefor, even though the empty magazine was retained, it was an 'emergency reload' not the mandated 'reload with retention'.

The COF required 12 rounds fired from P1 with a reload with retention at any time before moving to P2. The MD's rationale was that, since the gun had been run empty to slide lock, the reload was an 'emergency reload' regardless of the magazine being retained. edit to add; there was no advantage gained by the shooter in question.

Had this come up at a recent monthly match. COF was limited vickers and called for a reload with retention at Position 1 before moving to Position 2 and completing the COF. Shooter in question shot gun empty to slide lock at P1 and retained magazine when reloading. He finished engaging the targets at P1 and moved to P2 without any further reloads. SO gave shooter a procedural penalty for not performing a proper reload with retention stating that, since the shooter ran the gun dry to slide lock, he actually performed an 'emergency reload'. I argued that, since he actually 'retained' the magazine, it qualified as a 'reload with retention'. MD was consulted and ultimately upheld the procedural. I, and others, continue to disagree and, would like some clarification/consensus on the issue. The MD used literal interpretations of 3.4.1 and 3.4.2 to come to his decision. thanks, Dan

Hi, cross posting from the steel challenge page. I've searched the inter-webs and have found very few offerings and little info. I've been using a factory 7 3/8 barrel with factory compensator and doing well but, it's a little heavy. So, I've acquired a S&W 7" barrel and plan on cutting it down to 4.5 or 5" and turned for a compensator, as well as cutting off the tang over the slide. So far the Tandemkross is a strong contender but, I'm hoping someone has feedback on the Volquartsen LLV/Scorpion comp as it looks like it will match the barrel profile better. TIA

Reviving this post as I have the same question and am hoping that there have been some developments in the last three years. I'm taking the slimmer profile S&W 7" barrel and cutting it down to 4.5 or 5" and turned for a compensator. So far the Tandemkross is a strong contender but, I'm hoping someone has feedback on the Volquartsen LLV/Scorpion comp as it will match the barrel profile better. TIA