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How are people who don't want or have $400 frame weights flash lights screwed by people who do? How are people who don't want to transition their magazine pouches to magnets and spend a few hundred bucks screwed by the people who already have them and do want to transition to magnets? Man, I don't know, I truly don't know how people who want to stay competitive in a classification and not spend useless money on something they haven't had to before get screwed.

3, and 4. Some of 1 benefit, and some of 1 get screwed. New shooters don't care, ROs will have an easier time because they can just allow anything without getting their panties in a bunch, vendors see extra demand. Existing shooters who like spending money on useless stuff will benefit because they'll already have lights and stuff, and existing shooters who don't have lights (which are basically frame weights) will be at a slight disadvantage until they do. Someone will come up with a heavy light as well and that will be the competitive choice

I totally agree, the "new shooters" argument is simply a bunch of dudes who bought into the red dot carry sales pitch, and they want all the cool stuff of open, but they can't compete in open. They want an open-lite, where you can't use a $3,000 gun, you can only use a $1,500 gun. Which is fine, but let's not act like new shooters at level 1 matches actually care about the differences between classifications. If you want to get new shooters in to shoot matches, invite them, then when they're at their first level 1 match, waive the fee and let them shoot, who cares what division they're in, it doesn't matter, they shouldn't care, they should only care about the shooting and if they're worried about classifications and gear then you're failing as a range and as a group of shooters. If you get someone new in, let them borrow an extra mag, let them throw it in their pocket, let them use whatever holster etc. If you're so uncomfortable just put them in open, tell them that if they want to continue competing they should buy and extra mag and mag holders. They'll eventually comply with the rules.

I hope there's another 600 yd target I can hit on my first shot! I rocked stage 9 last year (compared to my normal skill of course), and I love the match, can't wait to come back.

Having just shot Fallen Brethern where the longest shot was 600 (and I hit it on the first shot, I placed way above my normal on that stage). I have to say that yes, 60+ yard targets should be the norm. I think a good rifle target starts at 150 and just moves out from there. I love running and gunning so I won't say close (contact to 20 yards) shouldn't exist, but to me that's the realm of the pistol and shotgun. Though shooting clays quickly at 25-50 yards is really really really entertaining. I think if you aren't pushing the rifle out past 300 yards at least once in a match you're doing a disservice to the platform.

Sounds like y'all need to shoot Fallen Bretheren. This year's longest was at 600 (and I smoked that stage and target). But they regularly have targets from 150-450 and a decent number of contact to 15 yard targets.

I was one of the RO's on stage 5. This was one of the best matches I have shot and worked. much better than last year. being able to see the targets, was Great! 3 Gun is a shooting match, not a find the Tgt match! as for the stages, the only thing I would like different, is more engagment options, With pistol and shotgun, for example, to mix it up a bit. All in all Great match, I agree with both of these. Having a little more variety in how you engage targets would be great, for example on the all shotgun stage it would have been cool to have a dump barrel at the end and you can engage the rest of the steel with pistol. The same with the bridge stage, being able to choose either the shotgun or pistol for the steel in the middle. Regardless it was a great match and the simplicty of the stages isn't a knock on it (especially when you look at the scores and realize how many people timed out on all the stages).

This was the best ran match I've ever attended. There was enough time between the stages to rest and not rush if you had to shoot first. We never backed up on another squad, every stage we started at the latest on time. I think we only had two stoppages, one target failure that was fixed very quickly and maybe a reshoot on our squad. Very smooth running. The stages were great, slug heavy, and unfortunately I'm terrible with a shotgun. But the rifle stages were great, pistol was well mixed in. Being able to see the targets was great, and I don't think it made the shots any easier, it just made it so you could actually try at the shots. Calling the shots on non-falling steel was great, I remember last year stage 4 or so we had to shoot across the creek at some auto-poppers and they wern't calling hits and that was extremely frustrating as lots of "leg" shots seemed to happen. And stage 9 was great as always (I say that probably only because it was my best stage) 600 yards is a long way and a good target!

Hey uncle! Did you ever get your timer back? I do remember this coming up. I thought we had a great squad and had a blast shooting this match.

What does you having been a cop have to do with anything? Let alone being an RO?