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Flex, it is a great concept, and you put it really well - you always do. I only meant to say I wish I could see the target details as well as Jake does, or Jerry Barnhart - I always was better at making excuses rather than at shooting. Some time ago, during an IPSC class for beginners an instructor asked me to demonstrate how you can hit a paster from 7 yards. I took a good long look at the target, and just couldn't see the damn paster on it. If I had my non-corrective glasses on, it'd take some time to shift the focus from the paster back to FS, but I could have hit the paster, at least I'd like to think so... The problem is that in non-corrective glasses it takes me a few seconds to bring the FS in some sort of focus - so I gave those glasses away to my girlfriend, and she looks really cool in those. I guess my point is that as long as I can accurately visualize where I want to hit the target, I can get by without actually seeing the details. Which is pretty much what you already said - so I'll just shut up and go back to work.

I wish I could do that - since I have to use corrective glasses to see my FS, there is no way I can see the target details until I am done shooting and follow the RO assessing the hits. Though there probably is a disadvantage to this, it also has helped me to learn to call my shots, as well as to visualize the letter A when I aim.

Since I can't see fine details on the target while I focus on the FS, my target is where I expect the letter A to be. It is much easier of course when the entire target shows. When it is only a partial target I try to guesstimate the area between the letter A and the center of the available brown, or something like that. I am not exactly sure how it is even possible to see the fine detailes on a target ( like a paster or a bullet hole ) while focusing on the front sight. I guess it might be easier for open shooters, but for the iron sights ??? Or may be it's just my eye sight that is not as good as it used to be. Do you guys really SEE the details of a target, or you just imagine these details where you want to hit the target?

I like the way you stated this.... I also like your avatar. Hey, thanks - your avatar is really cool.

To me deliberateness is a state of mind that includes an intent and a "know how". Objective + Skill + Will = Deliberateness. I think that deliberateness can be practiced as long as there is the will. I can practice the objective assessment by learning from others, from books (or this forum), and from my own mistakes. I can gain the skills by practicing shooting while applying the learned techniques. The intent is probably the only thing that has to be given. As saying goes: You can bring a horse to the water, but you can't make it drink.

Try a different gun - see if you get a similar feeling.

Well I just paid for 2 G17, and not ashamed of it either. I wish I could say the second one is just for collection, but I don't think my girlfriend would agree. Go G17!

Well deserved. They say that reaction time of a 20 years old talking on the phone slows to that of 80 years old . From what I've seen on the roads - I believe it.

Very likely so. I remember messing with my CZ 75B trigger trying to make it work like my CZ Champion, and in the process I really screwed it up. In short, before the hammer would strike the pin its base would catch something else ( too long to explain) and it felt pretty much like that - first you feel the hammer fall, and a moment later the recoil begins. It turned out the hammer really was delayed on its way to strike the pin. So there was no awareness satory to me I ended up ordering a whole bunch of factory parts for the 75B to restore the trigger function - now that was quite an enlightment!

IMO - the CZ 75 B in 40 SW. A bit heavier on the front end than the 85 Combat model, it eats up the recoil very well. Actualy, my girlfriend is shooting one of these. I spent about 3 full days on the trigger job for it and I can say that I haven't seen a better CZ DA trigger anywhere. It is pretty much the same as Angus Hobdel trigger job, except that I was able to shorten the double action pull as well. If I used the federal primers, I could install even shorter hammer spring and it would be even lighter, but it is good enough as it is. The EAA 12 rd magazines and Angus Hobdel sights make this gun an exellent choice for Production Div. What's funny is that mygilfriend seems to show more and more interest to Glocks - probably because they are lighter. Vlad D

Oh that sucks man. I lived in places where snow would start in the beginning of October and wouldn't stop till end of April, but May 2nd??? I feel your pain!

Shot slowly trying to get good hits - only got 54 points. My bad classifiers are mostly in the low 60s lately, but this one seems to be at only 45% nationaly. Also, it is a little puzzling to me that HHF for this classifier is the same for all divisions. Anyway, I don't think this one is going to be regarded as one of those move up classifiers.

I've been shooting a CZ for a few month, but started thinking of going back to G35 a few weeks ago. I finally did and had pretty much the same feeling you guys are talking about. The G35 is the only Glock I've ever owned, and I wander what is so different about G17. I load my 40SW ammo to minor PF for production so I don't have much of recoil either, but I am having this weird thought lately of getting myself a G22 to see if my transaction times will shorten. Is this a reasonable assumption or is there something else why some shooters prefer standard length over G34/G35?

Skywalker, Doesn't it remind you the discussion we had some time ago about Speed vs. Accuracy? I think we agreed on the notion that if one can shoot 95% of the score from his speed comfort zone, then it might be the time to speed up somewhat and then bring the accuracy back to 95% or whatever one considers an acceptable level. I thought it makes perfect sense and doesn't really contradict either approaches - speed-first, or accuracy-first. What I especially like about this is that I don't have to decide which one is more important - speed or accuracy. IMHO, saying that one is more important than the other can bring a limitation to ones progress.

I learned that I haven't learned that much yet. But the horizon looks as bright as ever!