RJH
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We've had this discussion a time or two, and part of the ready condition in a starting position is how the gun is loaded. I've said that if it was a loaded start, the competitor wouldn't meet the handgun ready condition if his gun wasn't loaded and shouldn't be started. Others thought they should be. Turns out I was right LOL. This article mostly discusses starting a competitor in the wrong starting position, but that last sentence keys in on handgun ready condition. If the start calls for a loaded handgun, you at least have to have a mag and a gun with some ammo in it or else it's not loaded and the competitor shouldn't be started. Just like if it calls for an unloaded start you can't start a competitor with a loaded gun.
Note that a loaded gun does not mean a round in the chamber, just actual ammunition in the gun. Discuss/argue if you like
https://nroi.org/ro-best-practices/enforcing-the-start-position/
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Call stacatto and see what they say
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I'm not so sure there's not such thing as a flat shot. Maybe not completely flat, but when I shot a guy's open gun the other day at 10 yards there was probably not more than 6 in of vertical lift at that distance, and I think six is an overstatement it was probably more along 4.
Keeping the dot in the glass, was not only not an issue, it was unbelievably easy to do. It had been awhile since I shot an open gun and to say I was surprised would be an understatement
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^^^ what he said
Same here, while I knew the da shot was there I just didn't really pay much attention to it. I kind of always did the "tightening the trigger finger as I was extending out on the target for the first shot" if it was a distance and rolled through the trigger. Then just shot single action the rest of the way like that was what I had done from the get-go.
Also I never had any fancy dasa guns, just a Beretta 92 and the only trigger mods was putting in a factory da only main spring.
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Maybe I was misunderstood. All of my factory prodigy mags have worked completely fine. I only got about 3,000 pounds totals to the gun at this point though, so not a huge sample size. The springs do seem a little weak, but like I said at this point they've been fine. Just not really worth upgrading in my opinion
That said, when my springs go bad I'll probably go ahead and buy grams springs and followers so that I can get 21 in all my mags that still have the factory base pads on them. I just don't think it's worth buying the stuff to convert them to 23. Once you do that you might as well go ahead and just buy the mags that hold 23 from the get-go cause you're going to spend about the same money
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3 hours ago, Makicjf said:
Did they change that model to a bushing barrel? I have the bull version set up for 40/10 that after a raised mag catch and ramp shaping and polishing runs great, but the bull barrel makes it a no go. I, in my wisdom, didn't realize that the bull barrel prohibited it from SS. I could shoot L10, but if I decide to go to Nats this year, it would be nice to have at least a few people to shoot against.
If the rules changed or it's a bushing, it would be worth it.
Thanks!
Jason
Crap, I think you are right and it is a bull barrel. Sorry for the misinformation. Bad part is I am pretty sure I made the same mistake recommending that gun before.....
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3 minutes ago, MJinPA said:
Looks like the Springfield prodigy ships with one 17 round and one 20 round magazine. Does anybody know if the tube size of each is identical?
I would want to increase capacity for LO by swapping the base pads ans I'm trying to figure out how many additional magazines I would need to get.
The tube sizes are not the same length
To be honest if you wanted to increase capacity you may be better off to go with an atlas mag that's already ready to go with 23 rounds. Even though the prodigy mags are only 40 or so bucks, by the time you buy a TTI base pad and some grams internals you're basically at the same price as an atlas mag out of the box.
I built up one prodigy mag, but decided it wasn't actually worth the money. So if you were looking for a couple of cheap 20 rounders The prodigy mags are the way to go, but if maxing capacity is the goal, probably should just spend the money right off the bat
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For one year if I was looking for a 40 I would probably just buy something like this and be done with it, unless you were wanting to have a 10 mm to mess with when you were done in which case I would probably go with the Ronin like you were discussing.
But in reality I would probably do the 45/9 dill. I get that it's a headache to switch the press, but with a little planning you probably would only have to switch it once or twice
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I have never understood buying a new gun and replacing the barrel, unless you were building an open gun or something. If a factory gun is not accurate enough for USPSA, it's probably a POS.
So yeah, trigger, grip tape, maybe sights, depending on model (whether Glock or something else). If it needs more than that it's probably trash
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I think they started making them like that so wind would be less of a factor
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If the calibration zone is the right size, I'll allow it
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1 hour ago, Climbhard said:
Those mecgars are far and away the best 9mm sigle stock mags for feeding.
I had used metal forms on my old minor gun and they worked great, but when I ordered this gun the mecgars were the ones that they had so I picked a couple up. Liked the design so much I ended up buying a couple of more. They do seem to be really good
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2 hours ago, Joe4d said:
yeh, hard pass on Rock island,, I have one,, figured eh its 1911, I will change stuff anyway.. slide is all peened up, barrel isnt fit all that well, frame out of spec making it hard to fit anything..
I have a single stack 40 I built when I started could probably do the same with. Was a good gun back in the day and i still haver buckets of 40 ammo.. I shot IPSC standard in 10 round land with factory ammo, the extended 10 round mags were legal.. and the flush fit 9 rounders were the gamer guns for IDPA.
I have an XDM elite I am trying to set up for pro 15 while still being IDPA SSP legal.,.. Think I just have to pull the factory funnel,, although rules are screwy. Just want to check out a couple of the clubs closer to me to see how they are.. Steel is 2 hours away, so after a few of thems just isnt worth the drive for me.. Only make that drive for icoreInteresting. I've had several Rock Islands over the years and had good service out of all of them. Only in 9 mm or 45 though, never a 40. The 45 was probably my highest round count gun at around 15,000 or so. So not super high around count but for 400 bucks they seem to work for what I'm asking
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When production 15 was announced, I was kind of excited about it. I went out and looked at production guns and didn't find anything I really liked for what I wanted to spend. Well, I didn't really find any production guns I liked at all regardless of price. Then I watched a video of production 15 and decided that production 15 was a horrible idea and kind of took the heart out of production. So what was I going to do, I wanted iron sights and I wanted low cap and I wanted 9 mm and I didn't want to spend a whole lot of money.
The answer was obviously a new single stack minor gun. I had one in the past and got pissed off because of minor and went back to major only in single stack, but my favorite gun to shoot has always been a 9 mm 1911. Well that was a few years ago and I'm just going to roll with the minor scoring now to not have to deal with the headache of picking up brass and such, and commonality of calibers with my limited optics and 3 gun pistols is nice as well. So the hunt began
I ended up coming across a Taylor's 1911 for $400. It's made by armscor, so just figure it's a Rock Island. Purchased four extra mags for right at $100. And picked up a Dawson ipsc magwell on here for 40 bucks. A buddy of mine did the trigger job and got the trigger with all the stock components under the 3 lb, it's plenty good for me.
So we got a 9 mm 1911 which is obviously better than any production gun ever made, low cost, and so far through practice and one match 100% reliability, all for about what a Glock 17 cost. So if you want to shoot real low cap and iron sights throw those plastic crapper guns and DA first shot guns in the trash and come join me in a division where you get to shoot a real gun with super soft ammo LOL
The gun came with the two silver mags, the black mecgars are what I added
Notice the tapered top on the mecgars magazines. I don't know if these existed back when I shot single stack minor in the past, but I really like it. Effectively makes the mag well bigger
Other than the magwell, grip tape, and orange paint on the front sight, all factory components. Oh yeah, and the grip screws and bushings, the factory ones were crap so I had to spend 11 bucks there
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I'd try some longshot powder
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I don't have a picture, but I built some out of PVC fittings before. Took a female adapter that was close dremeled the threads a touch, dremeled a groove on the side so I can put it on the belt with a zip tie, and done.
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That sounds like the most fuddiest of clubs ever
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Sounds like you have it about right
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7 minutes ago, Joe4d said:
kinda whipped this up,, not a stage designer, but lets say the shooting area is 25 yards deep, example of a bad stage with no shooting challenge, only a running challenge. Track pdf
Compare to shoot pdf,, nearly identical lay out with a few changes to shooting area and visjon barrier... Suddenly its a shooting challenge with several options..
track.pdf 196.4 kB · 4 downloads shoot.pdf 181.73 kB · 4 downloads
My phone won't open those files, can you screenshot them or something
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I'd probably get the 5" m&p that is factory ported (competitor maybe, I can't remember the name) and put an apex trigger in it. Not 100% on the ambiness though, so you would have to check on that, assuming it will fit the box
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4 minutes ago, Dr Mitch said:
USPSA is where it’s at. Everything else is like the cheap, disgusting crab salad made from pollock fish.
When it comes to pistol matches I prefer USPSA, or at least USPSA rules. That's probably because I've been shooting them for 20 years so I've got a firm grasp on them. I don't care about classifiers and such anymore but, if USPSA gets their stuff together I'll probably go back to sending them some money and it looks like they're headed in the right direction.
That said, I'm also not tied to USPSA and will shoot pretty much whatever match somebody is setting LOL. Going to go do some three gun today....
PS The only matches I find annoying are the ones that claim to be USPSA, or at least USPSA rules and then you show up and it's way way off. I'm fine with the occasional not really in the rules but level one exemption, unless it's really stupid and then that can be aggravating
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33 minutes ago, MHicks said:
Kind of funny. I glanced through their rules and some were about climbing over walls. Things like that. Along with the usual gun divisions and everything else. At first I thought thos was going to be about PCSL? matches.
I only did a very cursory glance, but it just looked a lot like USPSA to me. I only glanced through the first link though so I didn't see anything about climbing over walls.
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6 minutes ago, Joe4d said:
Humm so its looking like I wont be able to fund my retirement from the 3, 22 round 40 cal 140mm mags I have
If you have some of those voodoo applied 22 round 40 mags you should just get an optic and shoot that thing in limited optics, assuming it's a 2011 or some other Sao gun
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16 minutes ago, Schutzenmeister said:
With all respect ... My reading of your previous post(s) gives me the impression you neither see nor appreciate the concomitant skills of being in an awkward position at the start, the need to retrieve a firearm - which may very well (by law) be unloaded, load it and engage someone breaking down the door to your bedroom in an expeditious matter. These are skill sets endemic to the art of Practical shooting.
My reading of your post(s) imparts to me that we should be shooting nothing but full-tilt run-and-gun 32-round stages. (Perhaps I exaggerate slightly. If so, please forgive me.) While I enjoy these, there is limited ground, if any, to call these “Practical.” These are fantasy, pure and simple. Fantasy can be fun, but I submit the ability to respond quickly and decisively to a more “normal” threat level (say 3-5 targets) is far more realistic and, in my experience, far more difficult to so do with a winning HF. There’s simply NO time to correct a bobbled load or to hesitate on a target. Generally speaking, there’s some time you can make up in a longer course by being able to, for example, out run your competition over 50 yards. (I speak from experience … I used to be younger and I used to do that!) Nevertheless, that doesn’t make the course defensive OR practical. Can it be fun. Sure. But we also need some courses in there that test other skills too. (I include SHO and WHO in this category, to a reasonable extent.)
Let’s not through out the baby with the bath water!
First off, concomitant, good word. I'm fairly well read and I don't believe I've ever come across that before. So if I've learned nothing else today I have learned what concomitant means.
I don't have any issues having a bedtime unloaded start. My post on that subject was actually kind of tongue in cheek. I just find it humorous how some people are fine with one kind of physical activity but not another, and want to justify what they like and condemn whatever they disagree with.
"Realistic" doesn't really matter, gun handling skills is what matters. For "realistic," IDPA may be a little bit closer, but IDK on that
So yes, we should have some bedtime unloaded starts, we should also have some sprints intermingled as well, we should have low ports, we should have Cooper tunnels, and we should have prone, along with whatever other physical challenges I'm not thinking of. No, they shouldn't be on every stage but, they should happen occasionally.
Can't start a shooter unloaded, told ya lol
in USPSA/IPSC Rules
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I think USPSA is pretty much verbatim on that. But that still would be considered a loaded handgun, assuming a loaded mag was in the gun. So it would meet the ready condition of a loaded handgun. A completely empty handgun (no ammo in mag, no ammo in chamber) does not meet the ready condition of a loaded handgun and so the shooter should not be started if the ready condition is loaded. It's all in the rule book, glad to see nroi rule correctly on this one