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Do you think it would be possible to maintain the grip pictured in #1 but simply raise the gun a little higher, which will automatically cause a greater camming motion to the wrist (you would then need to lean a little more forward at the waist)? Not sure if that makes sense....

hey Duane, Sorry about that, I am actually cross dominant (left handed, right eyed dominant). Yeah, it's easy to overcomplicate these things...I'll try not to. The "condescending" statement I realize comes across sounding like I'm a pretty fragile guy or something....there's a lot more interpersonal context and history to that statement than there appears. Steve, I hear ya....I, too, have become annoyed with "switching" guns....I had hoped to switch from the glock, which is what I've been shooting over the past several months, to my 1911. I started working on it and realized that I can't shoot L10 given the financial requirements and that the only way I could afford to shoot would be to stay in production. That really is annoying, but for the next shooting season, that's what I'll be staying with. I trusted that you had very good reasons for switching from Glock to Beretta to whatever you're shooting now. I mean that sincerely. I'm sure you had very good reasons. I never questioned it. I just want you to hear that I had reasons too. Hey, take care and hope to speak with you elsewhere.

Well, I certainly apologize for that. I reread it and if you're referring to the removal of "ego" from the understanding, I was talking about myself, but it really does come across sounding like I was talking about you. I guess I was hoping you'd hear the other part of that post. Hey, I'm aware that this thread is kind of getting off topic, so I am certainly open to talking with about this through other channels. Take care.

Nah, Steve, I'm not trying for faster splits....I'm trying for a more comfortable index which I hope will lead to greater consistency in all aspects of shooting. Those other things you mentioned are definitely important, and I've been spending time on those things actually. Hope you had the chance to read my above post.

Jake, Yes, both Bob and Steve have helped me with quite a lot, and I don't mean it to be a "personal" attack on either when I come to this board to ask for help with my shooting. Bob and I are good friends and I value and respect his opinion. I respect Steve's as well; he's a great shooter. Neither Bob or Steve are cross dominant, so I thought I would try to elicit some opinions from people that are, to find out how they've resolved the issue, even if their opinions come to the same conclusion. I understand it would be easy to experience me asking other people questions as some kind of "devaluing" of Bob and Steve's opinions, but I hope that they know that this is not where my questions come from. It seems to me that there have been a number of instances where I am innocently curious about the opinions of people other than Bob and Steve, only to feel jumped on a little bit for asking. I don't want or need to have my learning "sheltered" to just one perspective. What's wrong with asking? What does it threaten to ask of others perspectives? I work as a psychologist, and I know that sometimes people can "hear" you and even believe you, but still need to go out into the world for additional confirmation or disconfirmation. In working with my clients, I have had that initial reaction of wanting to say: "geez, they came to the conclusion that I already drew for them." But it requires a certain level of understanding and maturity to remove my ego from that process and understand that sometimes that's what's necessary for someone's own learning and experiential realization. Why does a child touch a hot stove even though their mother tells them it will burn? They need to find out for themselves, check with other sources, and come to their own understanding. Really, no offense intended....just wanting to learn from the forum members.

Thanks for the input, all...it's a "feeling" thing mostly....bending my wrist to that degree is not comfortable and does make sight acquisition a little unnatural. Nothing that can't be attained through practice, but if there's a more natural way to do things, I definitely research it. I only used a small piece of tape over the right eye. Steve: not looking for anything "magical," but if you can do something that creates a more natural set of biomechanics, why wouldn't you? Also, I know there are "A LOT" of other things I could be working on (that's a condescending statement, btw), and this doesn't preclude me from practicing those other aspects as well...it's not mutually exclusive, you know? Bob: I PM'd you...

Darn, I learned so much that it's hard to put it all together into a few coherent statements. The most important thing I've learned, originally from my teacher Seung Sahn and reinforced countless times here and in my personal life is simply this: make "mind" very stupid and small...when I get out of my own way, and "I" is removed from this moment, then awareness is possible. This has been really important to me given my tendency to be so self-critical and perfectionistic. It gives me the permission to see the world as a child might and to let go of all of the layers of perception that serve as obstacles to experience. I also find that the very best "parts" of me are opened up and available to others.

I wish I could get my gun to do that consistently. I wouldn't mind shooting to slide lock as much.....

...and it hurts like an SOB! Wow did I get a massive headache quick. Props to those that can do it, but boy did that screw me up for the rest of the night! I've been hating the whole cross dominance thing as I firmly believe that it affects my consistency quite a bit....then I looked at a couple of books to review the sections on eye dominance and I got frustrated with the notion that one only has to move the gun an "inch" away from where one would normally shoot if they were (in my case) left hand, left eye dominant. But it's not an inch! It's more like several inches and I have to bend my wrist so much that recoil management (and therefore, consistency) suffers. Well, I *may* have had a breakthrough....what I have been doing is trying to stick the gun in front of my right eye (left hand, right eye dominant), causing massive discomfort and a cramped feeling (not that kind of cramp). I closed my eyes, put the pistol out in front of me directly in my center line, opened my eyes, and somehow, magically, things were much much better. I don't believe I tilted or moved my head at all...somehow it just worked. Has anybody else found this to be the case or might I have been tilting my head to make this work? Gotta get in front of a mirror.....

Duane, with the 14 pounder for your carry ammo, do you use a buff? Steve: changing your mainspring to a ligher poundage can have some beneficial effects....if you compare a 22 lb. to an 18 lb. you'd see and feel the difference.

Nice! My wife saw this picture and said, "Packin' Poo!!!"

Just an update....getting close to fully understanding the problem. It appears that when I point my thumb and cam my wrist, it's as if I'm rotating the support hand forward, like a twisting action....it's apparently so ingrained (i.e., this twisting action), that I almost can't help it. When the gun recoils, the support hand stays in place and the gun flips out from the rear.....getting closer to understanding it. Just need more range time to figure it out, I guess. Comments appreciated!

There are two or three of them at a local shop here in Morgantown, WV.

Excellent, great to hear, guys.