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Hmmm.... And what exactly has the case got to do with it ? ..... nothing at all ! Now if the hypothetical question had related to the car park, then its a sorta problem. (or is it)

James gets revenge

Sorry to take so long for announcing that the Major Prize has been awarded... but Geoff has been very hard to track down. The Prize

But we are not talking "typically" In this instance, was this the RO's comments or was it part part of the written brief ? As if "said" then 10.1.3 would apply... A competitor disputing the aplication or number of penalties may appeal to the Chief Range Officer and/or Range Master. A competitor who continues to be aggrieved may then lodge an appeal for arbitration The MD may of been acting with the best of intentions, BUT, would 10.1.3 of upheld what he wanted " !

Scream is good

I think thats a resounding no then ... but why another solution ? I would hope that any Range Officer being faced with an unsafe event would stop and DQ ( even if the event is not covered in the rules) As in the event of this happening, would not 11.1.3 already cover the prevention of abuse, with the Arbitration Committee being able to work under 11.1.9. "Where an incident is not specifically covered by the rules, the Arbitration Committee will use their best judgment in the spirit of the rules"

Hmmmmmm... applying current rules ? I haven't answered any of this type of question for a while.... but I recon that this case has its merits. Until the IYAFUASC process is completed in all parts, then the competitor is still within his rights to engage targets, (and even more within his rights if the process hasn't even been started) and as far as I can see.... it hadn't. So I'm realy inclined to start wondering as to if 8.6.3 should apply. "In the event that inadvertent contact from the Range Officer or another external influence.................................. however, the provisions of section 10.3 may still apply" Thats a MAY So In light of the story as we / I have it... 11.1.2 "Appeals arising from a disqualification for a safty infraction will only be accepted to determine whether exceptional circumstances warrent reconsideration of the match disqualification, However the commission of the infraction as described by the Range Officer is not subject to challenge or appeal" Did the AD happen.... yes, are there exceptional circumstances.... yes. should 10.3 apply... no DQ... nope ! If in an arbitration of this, and with the facts being as in this thread.... I would vote for reinstatement. (But I think that by now, the hour has passed) "Risk Assessment".. windows fall if you let go of the rope !.. As it was the end of the stage, the RO should take control of window and get shooter to back up before lowering the window and starting the IYAFUASC process ? Neck on choping block time... IMHO The design or briefing of this section of the stage was an event waiting to happen, and due to poor stage management........ it did !

Shock !.. Hmmmmm... I for one am totaly mentaly exhausted ! I'm so glad to hear that I 'enjoyed' the weekend... its just that it is not 'enjoyed' as one would normaly use the word !!!! (But I still recon that my match worked, apart from 1 or 2 small minor details) And welcome from me Steve, remember if in doubt refer to 11.8.2 (just keeping the thread on topic )

Which I attended, and am now a much wiser person... So Bill, The answer to your question is a YES ...O'h goodness... YES

Geoff wins... A mistry major prize will be bestowed upon him shortly ........... maybe by James

Come on..................... The Poll has only had 6 votes..... The prize thats at stake, will change the life of the winner for ever. So come on, please read the thread and then vote (its sorta realy important)

So... Whos 'who said what' caption made you laugh the most. Please read through the posts and vote for the person who deserves an award to end all awards. The thread is at http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?...=ST&f=45&t=8047 OK... its run long enough... The winner is Geoff.

Ok... And now a poll to find the winner........................... http://www.brianenos.com/forums/index.php?...=ST&f=45&t=8353 Please vote, as the winner will receive a fabulous prize

Don't worry Graham...just follow the good examples as set by the others.... please read the great replies by Neil and Mike to get the idea O... and btw Welcome to the forum

17... which is average, Which is strange realy, because on average I'm not average at anything

BTW... You can get a softer recoil pad to fit to the benelli stock... Kick-eze or something like that....

I'm pleased to see that this thread is now back on topic...... Please hurry with your funny coments for the picture, as the time to have a poll to find the winner of the (almost) major prize is almost here.

Short Answer....Benelli Or If you want the longer answer....B e n e l l i

Talking of coffee. Whatever happens.......don't mention the Maxwell House Shake.............. Ooooppppps

DQ. plain and simple, its early bath time.....

Can't realy see that it needs yet another rule... If in the stage design or review it becomes apparent that any targets could be shot from the rear.... then the stage briefing should be writen to make it clear that any scoring hits must be made upon the target front face.

In my humble opinion.... YES, if its covered in the stage briefing (will be tricky to get the words right, but can be done), then there can be no argument. (mikes and penaltys will apply). But even further on this subject. If a no-shoot target was hit from behind....... then 99.9999% of shooters would protest that it was not a valid hit and should not score, so why shouldn't a shoot target be treated exactly the same. I would apply this logic to any stage where I was the RO and the briefing didn't cover the event. If the shooter wanted to protest my decision, then I would advise them to go and tell some one who realy cares.

Re competition idea...... I am willing to donate an unspecified prize, which although may have a low cash value....... it will give the winner great kudos for all time, this prize will be sent to the person who makes the best suggestions for who is saying what ... in the picture. Once all posts are made (say within 14 days) then we can have a poll on who should be the winner ....and the prize sent. For example L to R: John Beazley, Kurt Miller, James Harris, Terry Barret John.....James, your suposed to eat the pizza not wear it. Kurt..... (spoken In the style of John Wayne).... Whaaaaat ther Hellllllllll James...You looking at me.... punk ! Terry..... Quick guys...... put that donkey down, come and have a look at James waistcoat. James. please have another pint and put it on Neils bar bill.

I did ask James about said garment and the reason for wearing it, he replied "Because I can", which did seem to be a good enough reason at the time You will also note that John Beazley seems to be totaly admiring James style statement, whilst Kurt apears to be a little bemused.... Perhaps this picture could be the subject of a 'what are they saying' competition ?

And in the picture with John Beazley, Kurt "Magic" Miller and James Harris....... Is a side view of the U.K's very own minister of culture...Terry Barrett