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Hey guys, I got offered a Kimber Gold Combat series 1 stainless in a trade and I have never had a Kimber and don't know much about their value. The gun is in excellent shape but don't know the exact rnd count. Doesn't have the original box etc. and comes with one mag. I would be giving about $1100 or $1150 in value up for the gun, what do you guys think? I might shoot the gun a little but I will sell it pretty quick so what could I expect to sell it for when I decide to? thanks and Happy New Year!

As the buyer, I don't know the seller. I don't know what he's done with the gun. I don't know if he's honest. All I know is I paid for a gun that was "functional" and a link pin breaks right away. As the buyer, my b.s. alarm would start going off, and I just might start to feel taken advantage of. I might go so far as to tell everyone about my experience with joebob on the enos forum. Im going to going to switch around buyer/seller and a few words so you can see what I mean: As the seller, I dont know the buyer. I dont know what he's done with the gun. I don't know if he's honest. All I know is I sent a "functianal" gun and a link pin breaks right away. As the seller, my b.s. alarm would start going off, and I just might start to feel taken advantage of. I might go so far as to tell everyone about my experience with _________ on the enos forum.

I personally believe the seller sent the gun thinking everything was just fine. But......put yourelf in the buyer's shoes and ask that question again. Humor me for a second......you buy a gun from a forum member that's used with an issue that was disclosed and repaired. You get the gun, fire a few rounds through it and the link pin breaks. Maybe you know about these guns, maybe you don't, but now there is a big discussion about it on an internet forum and many people are saying the barrel wasn't fit correctly. You start to wonder, did STI really install a barrel incorrectly? Huh? Did the seller get out his dremel and start modifying the gun? I'd start wondering all kinds of things..... I've seen people do some pretty squirrely stuff with these guns. My buddy's stepdad bought a Dick Heine 1911. He waited for years to get it. And the first thing he does is take the gun apart and start f*#king with it to the point that the gun became unreliable. I'm not saying the seller did that. I'm just saying that I would wonder what the hell was going on if I were the buyer in this story. As the buyer, I don't know the seller. I don't know what he's done with the gun. I don't know if he's honest. All I know is I paid for a gun that was "functional" and a link pin breaks right away. As the buyer, my b.s. alarm would start going off, and I just might start to feel taken advantage of. I might go so far as to tell everyone about my experience with joebob on the enos forum. Tim, I apologize if I misrepresented what you said in this thread. That was not my intention. I'll be a gentleman and give you the last word. I do think you have made some great points in this discussion but i do want to point out one thing in this last post. You find it reasonable to say that you dont know if the seller is honest and what he had done to the gun before he sent it off to the buyer but some poeple think it is unreasonable for me to say the same thing about the buyer like I dont know if they are honest or they are telling me the whole story (again not making an accusation). By using your logic then I would have the right to say that I dont know if the buyer is honest and I dont know what the heck they did to the gun once they got it. But the buyer got the oppertunity to put their hands on the gun and look at it before they decided to have it transfered to them and they got take it home and do any other inspecting they wanted to do before they decided to shoot it. So should I get the right to look at the gun before I return the money? They were given they right and replied that they were happy, so shouldnt I get to say well let me just be sure there wasnt anything you did wrong before I entertain the idea of returning all their money?

How does the buyer know that has happened? Maybe the seller isn't legally liable, but no matter how you cut it, if the buyer feels cheated, he's going to tell everyone about it. Hence.....the reputation issue. I know the buyer was happy with the purchase because they told after they received the gun that the "loved it" and were happy with the purchase through a text message.

You know that is the probably the best advice the thread. Ive got a bunch of other things going on that could use my attention way more than a broken toy as Im sure others could say the same thing. Thanks for putting things back into perspective.

Part of the reason I made this post was to open a discussion and get some dialogue that would help me and maybe help someone else down the road if they got in a simliar situation to me. I wasnt going to let this thread make my decision for me or influence how I would handle the situation but Im glad that we as a community can have dualouge on a topic that has obviously sparked emotion and thought. The divide seems to amoung the more "old fashioned" do the right thing side vs the you fufilled your obligation side which I think could be argued in a lot of topics not the just the one it is being argued in right now. The facts are that this is an unfortante situation and no matter what the outcome ends up being one the of the parties isnt going to be completly happy with how it turns out. I have used the word screwed a few times and gotten blasted but one person is going to get a little bit screwed in the sence of time and some monitary obligations. The goal of doing any transaction is to have two satisfied parties and I can promise you that when this is all said and done there will only be one satisfied party in this deal no matter what the outcome ends up being and that is unfortunate.

Thats why I said "STI told me" beacase do I think that they used a double charged round, no probably not but when STI says that there are going to be checking for error on the user end then I want to make sure I dont refund the money and find out that they did do something wrong. We can all sit here and say they did nothing wrong including me but none of use were with them and the gun, and when STI tells me that a double charged round or a "reloading error" could have possibility caused the error I take that more serious than an opionion on here (no offense) seeing that they build these guns everyday and as far as I know no one that has posted in the thread can say that. And saying there noobs is not a good way to defend that they couldnt have made an error, again not saying that they did but I cant be sure of that because I wasnt there. And to claify Im not accusing them of anything wrong doing, Im just try to protect myself and I dont see why you think that is unreasonable of me???

umm... the slide stop broke. How would you feel if you bought a gun that broke the barrel link in less than 50 rounds? Lets say you never even took it apart and went out to shoot your brand new gun and it broke in less than 50 rounds? You telling me you wouldn't be upset? Are you saying you wouldn't want your money back? Seriously? As the buyer, I would be looking at the for sale ad. In the ad, you state it broke the slide stop. You knew it should not break and you replaced it without repairing what caused it to break. How is that "in good faith"? Then you claim the 4 mags were in excelent condition. Every pic you posted of them they are turned everytime so you can only see the feed lips on one mag. Is that good faith too? I can see in one of the pics a flat spot on the feed lips on one of them. It's not about getting screwed. It's about doing the right thing. I think these are valid points, and I agree with you about the slide stop part of it but in my defense I'm not a gun smith and dont claim to be and when I called STI about the broken slide stop they never said anything about other issues and just sent me a new one. I did do some research on STI slide stops and I did see people saying that are not the best and have seen them break before. So I didnt automatically assume that there was more issues with the gun, if STI said heres a new one and your good to go thats was good enough for me. And as far as doing the right thing, that is why I am on here talking to other and getting opinions and I think the seller would agree I have been more than nice and I have returned phone calls and not ran and hid or anything of that sort. I do want to make sure this situation gets resolved in a way that treats both of fairly. And as far as being screwed, I have no way of knowing how the gun was treated once it left my possesion. Am I accusing the buyer of any worng doing, NO but I do want to protect myself because not everyone is honest. And yes I would be upset if this happened to me but I dont know about everyone elses lives but mine isnt always the smoothest. Sometimes things happen that dont go my way but I look for intent. If I thought the person sent me a gun they knew was broken I would be more than pissed but if it was out of their control I would still be pissed but not at them or think they wronged me.

Another thought, this is a what if senario but could very well happen. STI told me that they would fix gun as long as it wasnt caused by human error like a bad reload (double charge, etc.). So lets say I refund the money, get the gun back, send it to STI and STI tells me the they did something to break the gun and now Im stuck trying to get them to refund me money for their error. I cant be sure of how the gun was handle once it left my possesion. This is another reason I think they should send the gun to STI and if STI fixes it and says they did nothing wrong and they still want there money back then that is a different story. Thoughts on this?

Thank you to everyone who responded and for an update I did talk to STI and they said they would fix the gun. But I would like to add this, it seems like some people want to just take the buyers side by default but I did disclose any and all issue I knew about (which was a broken slide stop only)and I shipped them a gun that ran perfect when it left my possesion. The gun was sold as is and was discounted heavily off what a new gun and 4 tuned mags would cost. There is no way that I could have forseen that a barrel think would break and if I would have I would rather had it happen to me and had it fixed. I guess my point is if you put yourself in my shoes (the seller) how should I potentially get screwed on a deal that I did nothing wrong in and could have done nothing to prevent. My last point is this and I would like to see what others think and I hope the buyer is reading this thread. If the buyer had the gun for two weeks or two months and the link broke would they still be able to say i did something wrong. gMy point is that guns arent immune from having issue and where is the line drawn that is there problem or my problem. Sence it was only a few rounds its my problem but if they put 1k rnds through it it is all of the sudden there problem. The fact is that I sold them a gun in good faith and there is nothing i could have done besides have powers to see the future that could have prevented this problem. I feel like that if STI is willing to fix the gun, and they are, that I souldnt feel obliagated to refund the money. I may choose to do so like someone said just to make sure I didnt have disgruntled dealings but returning a gun isnt like taking something back to walmart. I'm going to have to have it transfered back to me and pay shipping costs and everything else associated with this and for what, because they dont want to hassle with sending it back to STI. To me thats unreasonable, but thoughts...

I have an issue and I need help and advice, please read. I would like to start out by saying I have bought and sold many items on this forum and other online firearm forums and I have never had an issue of any kind. Im going to stat just the facts and keep my own bias out. Im hoping that another member has been in a similar situation or could offer some advice about how to proceed with being fair to both parties involved. I also want to make this incident public to our community as I in no way am trying to be unfair, unreasonable, or cheat anyone in anyway. The Story: As many of you may have seen I had my STI edge up for sale in the classifieds. I had lots of good offers (thanks all who showed interest)but I was holding out for a number because it was a nice package and I wasnt in a hurry. I got contacted by someone that they would pay the asking price so we proceeded with the sale. They sent me a money order and I sent them the gun and 4 tuned mags. When the gun left my possession I had just cleaned and lubed it and it was in perfect working condition. I also disassemble the mags and lubed them and they were obviously used but still in great shape. The gun showed up at the buyers FFL last Friday and they picked it and sent me a text saying they were very happy with the gun and they loved it. So at this point we are both happy and everything was great, but here comes the not so fun part. I got a text I think Saturday stating that the barrel link had broke, and they were wondering if I had any issues with anything like that in the past. I said no I hadnt but I had mentioned in the ad that the slide stop had broken and that STI had replaced it. At this point they told me that they didnt think I was being shady as I was trying the best I could to offer suggestion and I really did feel bad about the whole situation so far. Then Monday I got another text saying that they had a gunsmith look at the gun and that the barrel had been compromisedand that it had been causing wear on the magazines long before she had gotten them. When they sent me pictures of the magazines the wear they were referring to was from the barrel slamming into magazine after the link had broke. I knew there shouldnt have been that mark on all the mags and when we talked today I was told it was on two of the mags because they inserted another mag after the link initially broke and another tube got damaged during the second attempt to fire the gun after the link broke. At this point in the situation the buyer has asked that I refund the money they paid for the gun. Im hoping that maybe some other member can help to clarify the situation and offer some advice as of how to go forward from here. I can completely understand their situation but Im in a little bit of a situation myself and I dont want to get completely screwed in this situation either. I have tried to get a hold of STI to see if they will fix it seeing that it is a completely stock gun but I havent got a hold of the warranty department yet, when I do I will post what they say. P.S. I will post the pics of the damage when I get home but I sent them to a buddy and he believes that the barrel link was too short and was taking too much pressure and that in finally broke due to the added stress. The gun only has about 2500 (give or take) rnds through it.

Wow, I was really excited... Major let down

Welcome from the Capitol, GO NOLES!

can I borrow that? lol funny

That's funny.... and true

funny

I'm about to start reloading and this kind of stuff is what makes me remember how careful I need to be as a newbie.

He should teach a class, that's Chuck Norris stuff right there...

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...she doesn't wear Spandex though! Thats funny lol cool looking gun though

I think I have to agree with this, but its sometimes a hard lesson to learn. Everyone wants to be fast, but the fastest are the most consistent.

The advice so far is great, get good hearing protection! Your ears will thank you later.

Great video, thanks

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