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  1. So, without having held one and without having seen any info beyond what is here how does the new Burris 1-8 work out for Heavy Metal? Got a new BRO .308 last year and will be using it at at least a few matches this year. not ready to move 100% yet. With the advent of HM Optic and allowing a Semi SG I am going to at least get my feet wet. I have a Vortex 1-6 on my JP, perhaps the answer is to move it over and get the 1-8 to replace it? Thoughts?
  2. Gun goes Bang when you didn't want it to, you are done. Whine about it, do we really care? An AD or ND call it what you will can close a range. There was a move to allow the shooter to continue if it could be proved that the gun malfunctioned. I do not think this is a good thing. If your equipment breaks in a manner that causes it to be unsafe, i.e., ND/AD then I think you should be done. If it breaks so it will not fire, then a substitute is OK. Too many armchair gunsmiths out there and allowing a ND/AD due to a gun malfunction encourages moving too close to the edge. My opinion of course and yours may vary.
  3. Definitely USGH. He was rectifying a Malfunction and the gun went off. No way he intended that shot, although he did appear very calm. THIS IS A GAME! If we allow things like this to go ahead, we will not have a game. All it will take is a round out of the range, or worse and we can kiss a match good bye. Hey, if people are shooting back, we'll talk about your skill set later, if we can, but at a match, Pack it up, you are done shooting. This was without a doubt an Unintended discharge of a firearm.
  4. My understanding is that in many foreign nations shooting like we do in the US is not an everyman sport, but is rather reserved for the upper crust. They pay much more than we do and they hire people to set, rest and pick up brass etc. At a Major Match, would I pay extra? Probably yes, depending upon the match and the final costs. At FN 3-Gun in West Virginia the stages all have sufficient crew to set the stage. Usually we have a minimum of 7 Staff per stage enough hands to spot, maintain the load table and set. Shooters shoot.
  5. I have a Stoeger through MOA, thanks Tom, and frankly it runs everything I have ever put through it. I have had I believe three FTE with it and those were most likely my fault. I run Wally World Winchester, Low Brass Rio, and just about any other crap shells I can get cheap. My decision was to by a decent SG and spend the difference on Ammo. For me the M3K was an excellent choice. If money were no object would I buy a Benelli? Maybe, or maybe I'd buy two M3Ks so to have a back-up because even a Benelli can break!
  6. You can get a couple tubes, Most matches allow you to fully load after the start, only one I know of restricts the capacity after the start. The M3K holds I believe 5 so a +3 gets you to 'full capacity' for the one match, a +7 extends a bit, but it can save one reload. What you need to look at is how the matches you go to are generally set up. Is there time between arrays to load? Or would having a couple more shots eliminate a standing reload? Not much worse than hitting the poppers 1-2-3 and realizing that hte 3 birds you just launched won't break with the two shots you have left!
  7. Mag spring length is generally about 10 coils longer than the tube. Assemble your gun, then drop a spring in, count past the end of the tube 10 coils and cut. Should work fine. some people cut even more, but there becomes a point where it will not reliably load, at which point you start over. More spring is generally more reliable. And the spring will compress a bit over time so measuring length is not foolproof.
  8. Tom at MOA is the man to contact. He has the correct tube nut that will allow you to properly install an extension tube.
  9. In November we had a really good Open shooter, in the combined scores he was 8 percentage points ahead of #2, also open and 20 percentage points ahead of the top PCC Shooter. We had 5 PCC shooters. In October we had 6 PCC Shooters and the top two in the combined scores were PCC. FIrst pistol shooter was Limited and was down 10 percentage points from the winner. No one has an issue with allowing this new division and those that are shooting it are really happy about it.
  10. We have started running two PCC divisions at Old Bridge, Open and L10. Open is a Dot or scope, L10 is iron sights. 5-6 people at each of last two matches. Those that shot it, loved it. Does not affect the rest of the match. For starts that would create an issue, we use either a table start or a low ready start. Lots of fun, no issues.
  11. It appears in the diagram that there is a strip of black tape between the two targets. Note that you cannot declare one target as two by placing a strip of tape across the target, you must have two targets. You can achieve this by cutting along the dotted line, affixing a non-scoring border to the two pieces and attaching them to a common backer. The tape need not be a full bullet diameter wide, although this does create a scoring nightmare, two shots on the line between the AB target and the ACD target would score as three hits, being virginal count it would get really messy. If two rounds crossed the line would there need to be an extra hit counted on the AB target? Simple answer is to over lay two targets, place a divider tape between the two that is wide enough (1/2") so that one round cannot count on both targets. This is one reason that the original Mozambique was eliminated. Another was the specifying of the order of engagement. It remains a good drill however as it forces you to shoot an odd cadence. My opinion only.
  12. McMaster Carr has the large size. Last time I looked they were north of $400.00!, but.... They Work! That said, I am seriously considering wet with SS pins. One time cost for pins, no dust. HF does have the small cement mixers. I thought about one of them years back for dry tumbling. Figured I'd just fashion a lid, then build a wire mesh sifter box to separate the media from the cases.
  13. What is the cost associated with this maintenance? How long does it take? Is it Club Member labor or outside contractor? Thank you
  14. in our little group we have... Benelli M2's by teh owner, by TTI and by Crum. Beretta 1301 by the owner Stoeger by MOA we have had excellent results with all of them, each owner swears by his choice. Everyone has had some minor issue, easily corrected, usually operator error and each has essentially run everything it has been fed. None are apparently any faster to load than the others and none apparently shoot any better. Is this a wide survey across 1000's of guns and owners and hundreds or thousands of rounds? No. It is however a small group that shoots together regularly so we can sort of keep an eye on how much BS vs truth there is in our results. My personal choice was the Stoeger by MOA. I can own this gun and shoot a about 5,000 rounds for the difference between this and a fully tricked out Benelli M2 by TTI. In my case more shooting will do more for me than more gun. Or I could arguably purchase a second M3K for backup and be even with the M2. What choice should one make for their own 3-gun SG? one they are comfortable with. Are you looking for a gun with a long track record? M2, Is money no object? M2 then a 1301 then a M3. A bit cost conscious? M3K. Do you shoot a major match twice a month? I might just go with an M2, but then again having two guns.....? So all this means is look around, check the failure rates out and get what you are comfortable affording, then go out and PRACTICE. More rounds downrange will do more for you than will $1000 more on the gun. Then again, this is only my opinion.
  15. When I could see, I shot Irons, then a dot, then a 1-4X now a 1-6X. I have corrective glasses, I can see the targets and I can see the sights, but not both with my Varilux glasses. SO for shooting I have a single prescription, it allows me to see the front sight clearly on my pistols, I am good enough to see any pistol or shotgun range target while wearing them. Unfortunately they don't work all that well for rifle as even if I can see the sights, I can't see the distance to the targets so I use a scope and adjust the the scope to cancel the correction and see the reticle and the target clearly. It sucks to get old, but it beats the alternatives! I may go to an 8x next time as I would like to shoot at smaller targets at greater range just because and not necessarily in a match. Regardless of Optic or Iron, I wholeheartedly support the 4MOA movement. Unless we are shooting a sniper match, finding the targets in the background clutter should not be part of the match. First shooter on the first squad on a stage where the targets are in the brush really sucks, as the match progresses the targets appear in cleared pathways. We should avoid this type of set-up. And we should arguably allow any Iron or Non-Magnified shooter to go first after targets are painted. OK, Drift off, we now return you to your regularly scheduled thread.
  16. I have a large Thumbler Vibratory cleaner. You say you tumble wet with pins. Do you have a drain in the tub? I think this might be a possibility. I really don't like the dust. I think it would be good to eliminate it.
  17. I find it a little interesting about the 1.5 not being fast. Wasn't it the ACOG 4x that worked as a fixed 4x? I don't remember it all that well, but it was something called the Binden Aiming Complex. Your mind switches which eye is master as you fire. You keep both eyes open, scan across, pick up the target with your unaided eye, then as the target enters the field of view in the scope, your mind switches to the aided eye for the shot. I've done this with the 4x scope I used to use years back, it actually does work. Now for a 1.5x vs 1x I'd have to experiment a bit, but I am almost wondering about getting a 3-9X for my .308 BRO and seeing how that works. I've got a couple scopes like that around. Might be interesting. I used to use a set of canted irons for the close stuff, got away from it with the new scopes with the illumination. Might see if the old school still works.
  18. I used to shoot Limited. Then I got bi-focals or variables. I cannot see the targets and the sights. A dot actually allows me to shoot 'Iron' on local matches as at our ranges here the distance is 100 yards max and I shoot usually at 1 or 2x anyway unless someone puts the 4" targets at 100 yards. I think that this should be, if it is allowed, treated as a level I exemption. we zip-tie your throw lever down, or just take a look at the ring before and after to see you aren't screwing around and that is it. At majors I would be against it and frankly I don't think anyone traveling to a major match, having invested $300 in fees, $200 in ammo, $3oo+ in hotels and meals plus time off from work, car rental, airfare etc is going to show up and suddenly decide, hey I think I'll switch from TO to TI. Especially seeing that the target engagements are likely to be much harder at 1x than at 4-8x. True Daniel will be there and kick butts, but if not him, someone else. My vote, if it were to come to it would be NO, unless as above it was limited to a local match. A few newbies might, but most there would be going the other way. It might actually be the more experienced shooters at the local level that might look to the challenge and opt in.
  19. Regardless of the name of the stage, it is imperative to arrange targets correctly. The fact that one round can hit on and count on two targets is not an issue. That is a part of the game. But, it is critical to arrange the targets so that shoot through issues are reduced to a minimum. They create scoring nightmares and reshoots resulting in slowing a match to a crawl. If everyone would understand that the area of a covered target behind and inside of the perforations on the covering target simply do not exist for purposes of scoring EVEN IF the targets are FEET apart, a lot of this would be resolved. I will be running a stage design seminar in January at our club, one of my props will be a couple of targets carefully cut away to demonstrate this exact scenario. I'll try and post a pic or tow if I get a chance in order to illustrate. As for the OP and the issue of scoring one shot on two targets, we do that all the time with a covering NS, you break the Perf, you get Hit-NS don't touch the perf and the shot is on the NS, it is NS-Mike. So if we have two shoot targets and the 'Upper A-B" is centered on the 'A' of the covered target, yes, you could get a Aplha-Bravo twice with two shots only where two non-attached targets would have required 4 shots. So? Does anyone know of anyone that would only fire two shots at such an array and be so accurate as to achieve the two for four? I shoot with a lot of very accomplished shooters and not one would ever attempt that. It would be way to easy to get 2 mikes and a FTE. Now, that does beg the real question, if I shoot only two shots at two targets that would normally require four shots and I achieve the magical Alpha-Bravo did I actually engage both targets? Should I have, regardless of the A-B hits a FTE? That is I think a more relevant question. My answer would be that both targets are hit and therefore have been engaged. Argue that one shot engaged each target. No FTE. score A-B on both. But is is only my opinion
  20. You mention your wife's gun being a bit other than smooth, could that be it? Also, lube in the gun? Yesterday I shot steel with a Beretta T-89. Ammo was bulk pack, always worked, but I made the mistake of lubing the gun in the morning. Gun was sluggish until the temps raised a bit and warmed up the lube. I say this because I have seen more than a few issues with cold sluggish guns that were cured with a lighter lube, the ammo didn't change, the oil just got thick enough to slow things down just enough to cause an issue. The T-89 runs 100% even in the cold except when it is freshly lubed.. I have had the same issue with my Para 40s, no issue with PF, rounds were solid, 320 and 180gr heads. Wrong lube was the issue.
  21. Except where it is a requirement in setting up a Classifier we strive to NEVER align the perfs. This eliminates the "but the A-zone on the shoot Targets is there behind the NS" argument. Everyone realizes that what ever is covered by a NS is simply assumed to not exist, Right?? As for the OP's question, if you break a perf and your round continues on to strike another target, you get credit for both, be they Shoot or No-Shoot or Steel. A full diameter hit that is fully inside of the scoring area of a target and NOT tangent to the Perf is assumed to have ceased its downrange travel. This is why using a NS to block steel is a bad idea. You have an automatic Range Equipment Failure requiring a Reshoot. Use steel to hide steel. Put your NS targets directly on top of eh Shoot target. Free standing NS targets can be a real issue when they have a hit and there is a scoring target down range. Shooter fires two shots, there is a NS Hit and two holes in the Shoot, Should be scored as Mike, No-Shoot and whatever the 'Hit' on the shoot target is. Problem occurs in trying to determine which hole on the shoot is the hit. Is the A or the D? grease rings help, but are not always there. Best way is to not create a situation where the question arises.
  22. No one ever accused me of being literate. Yup, 2nd weekend and it does fall on a local, no problem, I'll skip that and show up here. Howard, you should have my app (a long time ago) and I am up for either day. Let me know if you need staff for one day. Jim
  23. This what we use for target stands. The tubes are shimmed in 1/8" on each end, this allows us to stack the stands on the stage trailers. You need 4 pcs of 1x1 x1/8" angle, 2 pcs 1x2 tube, we use 12 gauge, any tube will dent when hit so no real reason to go heavier and if you go too heavy the target sticks may not fit. We use 1 x 2 furring, usually Home Depot. last item is the 1/2" washer.We have played with this a bit and later models have two to keep the stand from twisting.
  24. Vlad, You actually maintain your M3K? Seriously, I have run probably as many cases through mine this year as Vlad and I have done so far zero. Shoot it, put it away, take it out next time. I may actually detail it over the winter when I arguably might have a spare day.
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