Jim Norman
-
Posts
4,915 -
Joined
-
Last visited
Content Type
Forums
Profiles
Events
Store
Posts posted by Jim Norman
-
-
Gliney00,
The Stoeger will do just fine. I have a 24" having moved up from a 21 1187 and I could not be happier. It loads easy and cycles everything I've run through it. Mine was built by Tom out at MOA. He relieved the underside of the action and did some trigger work. Relax and enjoy your new gun. Shooting more usually beats spending more on equipment so long as the equipment runs.
-
All DQs were called up to the RM and he showed up for each. Overturning a DQ for other than the error in reading the rules or RO error is a bad precedent. Should the rules be changed? I don't think so. We play a game akin to running with scissors and reducing the safety rules will eventually lead to disaster.
-
Gene,
Thank you, Ma should be home in a day or so.
The magazine was not inserted, it was on the ground. I looked in the bucket, saw the slide out of battery, and hoped it was an empty case. As I said, a well intentioned, but, incompletely executed action. Had the shooter manipulated the slide a couple times, as some do, the round most likely would have fallen out of the pistol, unless the pistol was held horizontally.
Just for my education but did the shooter drop the mag and racked the slide prior to abadoning the firearm, or did he simply drop the magazine assuming the gun was empty due to it not able to fire?
Curtis,
The shooter did drop the magazine and manipulate the slide in order to clear the pistol. As I said, the intended action was incompletely executed. I'm sure he assumed the round had cleared when he manipulated the slide, unfortunately, it bounced off his finger / hand or simply fell back in due to the orientation of the pistol.
Keeping just to the rules topic, I find myself interested in the question that was asked earlier in the thread---does the ruling here depend on whether the gun is a passive safety (e.g. Glock) system or not?
On the one hand, I think it would be odd that that gun could result in a DQ for a Glock shooter but if the round were actually chambered it would not be a DQ. On the other hand, I have always preferred to interpret the "safe pistol" rule (and have written it explicitly this way in our local club rules) as requiring a pistol to be either clear of any live rounds or be in a condition that would be acceptable for a loaded chamber, holstered start.
So, in the world where I get to write all the rules, that is a DQ for any pistol, because it has a live round and is not in an acceptable holstered start condition.
Dan (thanks for chiming in, and also best wishes to your mom for a speedy recovery), do you think the pistol type would have made a difference under FNH rules?
Sadly on Stage Two we had several cases of not properly abandoned firearms. I think that a pistol should only be abandoned in a condition that would be acceptable holstered at the start of the COF. Rifles and Shotguns should be EMPTY. Allowing a Glock to have a chambered round and be tossed into a bucket but DQing a 1911 shooter with an empty chamber is not right. Therefore I reject the preceding. Any ammo in an abandoned handgun is a match DQ. There is Safety and there is the fact that this is a Match. Also having all guns required to be in the same condition eliminates any questions.
Recovering an abandoned firearm also resulted in at least one DQ. Why is this bad? One can say that everything that could go wrong is already covered under other rules. The shooter shall we say 'carefully places' his long gun n a bunker, they realizes he still needs it as he is racing past the bunker and he grabs the gun and as he pulls it from the bunker, he sweeps the RO and perhaps the crowd. I the initial pick up of a staged gun the gun is placed to facilitate picking it up, in recovering an abandoned firearm that staging is not present and the potential for bad things to happen that are not prevented by double and triple redundant safety rules is missing.
-
I have nothing but praise for my new Stoeger M3000. It has run right out of the box with anything I have put in it. Winchester 1-1/8 from Walmart to Fiocchi slugs. I've run some Estate and some Remington Gun Club and nothing has made it choke except me fumbling reloads. Tom H., Thank you for building a really good gun at a price one can afford.
-
I would like to take a moment to thank publicly the crew on Stage 2. You guys ran your butts off and handled a stage that was probably the most difficult to manage I have ever seen. The safety of the shooters and the staff is the #1 priority. This stage was a challenge. With a clearance time in excess of 4-1/2 minutes and 14 or more people on a squad your downtime as severely limited. It was a near impossible job to get a squad completed in the 90 minutes allotted. Having a couple guys over from Stage 3 helped out and gave you a bit of a break. I know a couple of you never got away to see the side matches. All I can say is Thank You and I'd be happy to work with you all again.
I also thank the shooters on our last squad that stayed over and helped tear down.
-
Too late now, but I might want to remove this option in the future. I'll just have to be careful next week!
-
So, I shot my first match today using my new Stoeger. It ran very well, I did not.
I had a number of brain farts. I found out that if you have a round on the lifter and hit the release, a second round WILL feed onto the ramp thus preventing you from loading a found into the chamber. How did this happen? Simple. Load gun, no round in chamber, cycle one into chamber, timer goes off, load additional rounds, forget you have a round ALREADY on the lifter, hit the release and Viola! a second round locks you up. Not a gun problem, a user error. Second issue was not having installed a match saver, I ran dry, grabbed a handful of rounds (4), almost dropped one into the chamber,as I was moving to hit the bolt release, I flipped the round over backwards, of course I hit the release and had a round now backwards in front of the bolt!
Tomorrow is another day! another chance to learn what else can do to embarrass my new gun.
You shouldn't be able to release two shells with one already on the lifter unless something is casting the shell catch to move at the hinge.
If you hit the bolt release with a shell on the lifter, hitting it again released another shell. If you hold the lifter up, holding the bolt release in will dump the entire magazine out, Not good on the thumb holding the lifter up!
-
Did K-D steel at Old Bridge. Hopefully today served as some small amount of training for tomorrow. I learned a few things.
I ordered a box of dummy rounds to practice with, they were back-ordered, got an email last night that they have finally shipped, will arrive here just in time for me to not be here and shooting FNH. Oh Well.
-
So, I shot my first match today using my new Stoeger. It ran very well, I did not.
I had a number of brain farts. I found out that if you have a round on the lifter and hit the release, a second round WILL feed onto the ramp thus preventing you from loading a found into the chamber. How did this happen? Simple. Load gun, no round in chamber, cycle one into chamber, timer goes off, load additional rounds, forget you have a round ALREADY on the lifter, hit the release and Viola! a second round locks you up. Not a gun problem, a user error. Second issue was not having installed a match saver, I ran dry, grabbed a handful of rounds (4), almost dropped one into the chamber,as I was moving to hit the bolt release, I flipped the round over backwards, of course I hit the release and had a round now backwards in front of the bolt!
Tomorrow is another day! another chance to learn what else can do to embarrass my new gun.
-
I was just about to download 1.2.19 and I see 1.2.21 is available. I don't see anything here about it or what it may have repaired from 19. I will be scoring two matches run simultaneously on Sunday, a 2-gun Tie Plus and a USPSA handgun, same stages, same time, two nooks per stage. I really don't need issues! So, information Please!!!!
-
And for USPSA Pistol Matches I agree. Mostly.
-
What has been done so far as I can see from watching the video is to make it impossible to shoot the stage from within the FFZ using other than your strong hand. You have to step out, back behind the FFZ to get the freedom to reload and then step back in in order to shoot without a penalty. Shooting outside the FFZ in this stage SHOULD be a per shot penalty as to stand far enough outside and shoot freestyle would be a definite advantage gained.
I don't like this course, but I can't see where it is not a legal stage.
I'd like to be able to say that the 'briefcase' must be held with the shooter's weak or support hand, by its handle except to reload when the case may be set down. That we cannot do as we are not allowed, without a Level One exemption and I'd check this first.
-
OK, I have seen the reason to upload to Practiscore. the ability to see your shot matrix.
-
Once we get the final scores approved I may do that. I'll talk with my shooters and see how they feel. Some are a little shy of having their name posted all over. even on our web we have had issues. It isn't nice living behind the socialist curtain.
I do support you100% in your efforts and tout the benefits to all near and far of the PS system. Our club alone runs two or possibly three matches on PS and just about everywhere we shoot this is all we see anymore. Heck, I am not even sure I could fill out a paper sheet anymore! I KNOW i don't ever want to go back to entering scores off paper for any size match!
-
Posting results. We maintain our own site where all our info can be found in one place. We could post to USPSA and Practiscore. One, it is another item to handle after each match. We post an give shooters a couple days to verify their info then we repost the corrected scores, three places, two more to update.
After the number of years we have been doing this, we have developed a certain set of habits. Someday we might change them. If our shooters want it, that would be the catalyst for change that we'd pay attention to.
-
Who wins what depends on who shoots what this month. We almost always have division winners in Open, Limited, L-10 and Production, It is much more likely to have class winners in B and C than in A. We get D class in Production on occasion and 2nd B or C in Production. Revolver is very light, usually not more than 3-4, I don't think we have paid Revolver division yet. Single stack make Division often and on occasion a class winner.
Hope this helps.
-
...
Payouts are $30, $20, $12 Match winner, Class Winner and 2nd in class....
"Class Winner and 2nd in class."
Wow! That's unexpected. What classes do you recognize? You get enough class participation that you recognize two deep?
Division Winner: $ 30.00 (5 in division)
Class Winner: $ 20.00 (3 shooters in class)
Second Place: $ 12.00 (8 shooters in class)
Third Place: $ 8.00 (15 shooters in class)
We pay 2nd on occasion, with 6 Divisions and only 80-90 shooters it is not that common. but it does happen and I think we may have hit 3rd one time!
-
I am always interested in how matches and sections are run. The Mid-Atlantic Section has some interesting 'rules'.
All matches have the same entry fee schedule and the same prize schedule. Yes, we pay back to the shooters.
Match fee is $25. Discount $5 for USPSA Membership and the clubs have the option of additional discounts. We offer a Husband Wife fee of $35, Juniors shoot for $5. Payouts are $30, $20, $12 Match winner, Class Winner and 2nd in class.
Most matches are no less than 5 stages one is up to 10! Ours is regularly 7 an d160 or so rounds with shots from reach out and touch to 25-35 yards. Most have no problem filling to or near to capacity.
Ask the shooters to design stages, ask the shooters to build them and ask them to stay and put them away. No one gets paid, we all get a great match. -
I think it does the Activity report, but you can't post the results to USPSA. We don't do that so i don't care, our results only post on our own site. We MAY someday post to Practiscore as well, but so far all our stuff winds up in one easy to follow place. Results go back on line for years. We used to post the stage designs as well, probably should restart that.
-
Bill, Am I missing something? Ez creates a file that one uploads using the USPSA website for the activity file, IOs version of Practiscore creates the same file. You save that file and upload it through the website. EzWin is not required.
-
One thing that would REALLY Help the staff out is to get us a list of locations and times that the sides are available to be shot and perhaps that we could move to the head of the list so as to get back to work faster.
-
One other point I learned two weeks ago, dust is your enemy. blow or brush the edges of the screen clear of all dust. If you don't you;ll start thinking the nook is going bad, it isn't, the dust is screwing with how the screen is read.
-
Zack, I didn't see your post, you made the same recommendation I did. Your USPSA guy is cruising for a rude awakening. Hope he changes his ways before he has a PO'd squad.
-
Z, NO, please don't do that!
If the score collection device travels with a squad and there is an issue, such as the device being damaged, struck by lightning, shot, lost to a swamp, etc. that squad is SOL for the match. Leave the device on the stage. Should something go horribly wrong with the device and the scores be un-recoverable, you only lose one stage of the match. You lose it for everyone, but everyone gets a match score.
DQ or no DQ? You make the call
in Multi-gun Rules / Stage Design / Match Administration
Posted
There is no simple answer.
1) Unload all guns, no ammo in abandoned gun. Great, but that gets us round dumping and speed unloads which have their own sets of issues.
2) Safety on if there is any ammo in the gun. We get the Striker vs 1911 issue and we also get the issue that started this post, ammo in the gun and no way to put the safety on.
3) ammo in gun OK if gun cannot be fired in its abandoned condition. This gets us into a lot of what is and other judgement calls.
Best if we have the gun abandoned either EMPTY, i.e. NO AMMO IN THE GUN AT ALL or THE SAFETY IS ENGAGED. No waffling, the rule will be a Match DQ for violation. saying a round inserted backwards is OK opens us up to judgement calls again. State the rules and stick to them.