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  1. I would have combined the 4 extra shots with the 4 shots freestyle so I would have come up with 7. Take a look at this ruling
  2. I would say you are correct. I know of 9 or 10 that I talked to that when asked if they were going to shoot Sunday said yes but only because they were already there.
  3. "The approved range commands and their sequence are as follows: " In both my RO class and CRO class this was taken to mean, this is what you are allowed to say. These are approved, by default the others aren't was the way it was explained to me. Before Make Ready you can say what you want but especialy in largert matches where there may be people that don't speak english it's better for your first words to be "Make Ready". I have seen a few people sent home for thinking they heard it but didn't. Then further down in 8.3.6.1 it specifically allows you to use other commands so again the assumption is you should only use the "approved" range commands.
  4. According to what rule? 8.3 8.3.6.1 Says other interim range commands may be given in stages with more than 1 string. Then it gets specific about what kind of commands. "in order to prepare the competitor for the second and subsequent strings" 8.3.6.1 When conducting Standard Exercises, Range Officials may issue other interim commands on completion of the first string, in order to prepare the competitor for the second and subsequent strings. (e.g. “Reload if required and holster”). This option may also be applied when two or more courses of fire share a common shooting bay or area. Look, this post should have been over a while ago. They ran the stage consistently across all squads. Would I announce the procedural between strings, probably not but there is a good argument both ways. I for one am glad they did as it gave me a chance to save some points.
  5. At Open nationals last year there was a stage where stacking was allowed. We ran the same stage in Limited where stacking was not allowed. Very different stage from one match to the other with the same targets.
  6. If the intent of the stage was to get you to brain fart it worked on me. I had a plan in my head, ran it over a dozen times or so, got up to the line and shot the first part of the plan (freestyle) backwards. Then proceeded to run the 2nd part of the plan (strong hand) in the correct order. I stacked a shot on one target because of the brain fart. In this case the VC penalties would not have applied as I fired the correct number of shots. If stacking was allowed I would have shot the stage very differently with less mental gymnastics. It is possible if they had not told me of the stacking I might have run into the VC penalties on the second string. I thought it was a good stage, well run by the crew, and a good test which I failed.
  7. That's not correct though. You could have been firing a makeup shot, because while it still penalizes you for extra shots, you can still do it. For example you call a mike and shoot again, if you get the alpha then you are only getting a 5 point penalty (10 for extra shot - 5 for an alpha). Stacking isn't stacking unless you shoot some targets extra times and some targets not enough times. And the reason I said at the beginning of this thread that you have to be 100% certain if you are going to call stacking is because it gets a little subjective. How do you know I didn't just jerk that shot and get a miss on 1 target and an extra hit on another? Can you articulate that and put up a convincing argument when I arbitrate the call? A makeup shot will be an extra shot, if that makeup shot hits a target and you end up with an extra hit you will get that penalty as well. In that case I would not call stacking as you should not get a penalty for both and extra hit and stacking. If you end up with 2 hits on any of the paper targets (and have not fired an extra shot) after string 1 you are stacking. If you want to call it a miss the penalty is the same so go ahead. I watch the gun. If in this stage you jerked it enough to put it in another target I would know. In that case you would just get the miss. Nobody said running standards stages was easy.
  8. On the A6 stage it was pretty simple to call stacking. If there were 2 shots on any target after string 1 you were stacking if you intended to stack or not. In his example it would also be simple. If there are shots on a target that should not have shots on it after the first string you have a couple of ways to go. Not following the written stage brief or stacking.
  9. This stage was 2 10 round strings with 10 targets. 1st string 5 freestyle, 5 strong hand 2nd string 5 freestyle, 5 weak hand I put 2 in a target in string 1. Not an extra shot as I only fired 10 Not an extra hit at this point but if I hit it 1 more time it is Stacking because no target should have two hits before string 2 Funny sitting there trying to figure out the best way to resolve the situation with the least number of penalties was fun standing on the line. I can only fire 10 shots, I can't stack 2 on one target or I get another stacking penalty, I can't get a hit on the original target that I stacked on or I get a extra hit penalty. I ended up firing 10 shots but intentionally taking a miss on the farthest target that did not get any holes in it on string 1. The hit factor was in the low 2's but it could have been a lot worse.
  10. I had a brain fart and shot the targets in the wrong order and stacked a shot on my first string as well. After the first string the RO said I was stacking and went so far as to go look at the target to be sure. By him telling me I had the chance to save myself some penalty points. If I had shot that target again it would have been an extra hit. It probably took me 3 or 4 minutes to get ready to shoot the 2nd string while trying to figure out a way to save as many points as possible. They were pretty cool about the extra time and answering my questions. We were between strings so I did not consider it RO interference but I can see the argument. By definition we are still in the course of fire. It starts here: 8.3.1 “Make Ready” – This command signifies the start of “the Course of Fire”. and ends here: 8.3.8 “Range Is Clear” – This declaration signifies the end of the Course of fire. Once the declaration is made, officials and competitors may move forward to score, patch, reset targets etc. But we may issue interim commands to get the shooter ready for another string etc. 8.3.6.1 When conducting Standard Exercises, Range Officials may issue other interim commands on completion of the first string, in order to prepare the competitor for the second and subsequent strings. (e.g. “Reload if required and holster”). This option may also be applied when two or more courses of fire share a common shooting bay or area. So this rule seems to be in effect: 8.6.1 No assistance of any kind can be given to a competitor during a course of fire, except that any Range Officer assigned to a stage may issue safety warnings to a competitor at any time. Such warnings will not be grounds for the competitor to be awarded a reshoot. For me it was assistance for him to tell me I had stacked a shot. For you this seems to come into play: 8.6.4 In the event that inadvertent contact from the Range Officer or another external influence has interfered with the competitor during a course of fire, the Range Officer may offer the competitor a reshoot of the course of fire. Pretty interesting, As the RO I think he should have just noted the stacked shots and kept running the shooter. As it played out it hurt you and helped me. Both results are not good.
  11. The gun looks to be on the production list in both 4" and 5" so you should be OK there. The holster would have to be behind your hip bone but nothing stops you from having your shirt or other garment over it. If you don't want to have it behind the hip bone you could shoot Limited and do that. There is a pretty good Limited A shooter that shoots minor and does really well from appendix carry and he draws from concealment. This is a pretty good read here If your 15 deg cant doesn't point the gun more than 3' from your feet you should be OK. This is pretty much the rest of the holster stuff: 5.2.7 Competitors must not be permitted to commence a course of fire wearing: 5.2.7.1 A shoulder holster or “tie-down” rig (visible or otherwise), except as specified in Rule 5.2.8. 5.2.7.2 A holster with the heel of the butt of the handgun below the top of the belt, except as specified in Appendix D, or otherwise indicated in Rule 5.2.8. 5.2.7.3 A holster with the muzzle of the handgun pointing further than 3 feet from the competitor’s feet while standing relaxed, 5.2.7.4 A holster which does not completely prevent access to, or activation of, the trigger while holstered. Come join in, you will find it an accepting crowd as long as you are safe.
  12. Amazing musical talent. Why do so many of the people that express emotion the best end up having substance abuse issues.
  13. You are not being DQed, you are not being allowed to shoot a match. Much different.
  14. <<The MD cited rule 8.2.2.3 >> That may be a hint to "the rest of the story" or the MD may have just quoted the wrong rule. But either way the MD can use 6.4.4 the phrase "at the match director’s discretion" is pretty clear.
  15. There are some limits on mag pouches but the limits are about position. Look at Appendix E2. and they can't be magnetic. Other than that your good to go.
  16. 2.4 Safety Areas The host organization is responsible for the construction and placement of a sufficient number of Safety Areas for the match. They should be conveniently placed and easily identified with signs. At level II or higher matches, Safety Areas must include a table with the safe direction and boundaries clearly shown. 2.4.1 Competitors are permitted to use the Safety Areas for the activities stated below provided they remain within the boundaries of the Safety Area and the firearm is pointed in a safe direction. Violations are subject to match disqualification (see Rules 10.5.1 & 10.5.12). I have never seen a standard shooting box at a safe table but.... If it is designated as the boundary then you need to stay in it. Yes, if you don't stay in it you could get a DQ. Normally there is a fairly large table with a fairly large area defined.
  17. Knowing the rules is a great benefit if you never run a shooter. I can't tell you how many times I have had an RO make a call that was clearly outside of the rulebook even at a LII match. If you don't know the rules, you just take it and go on. If you do know them you can help the RO make the proper call. I agree, Keven Imel did my CRO class and was great.
  18. I would think you would shoot for no score. 6.2.5.1 However, if a competitor fails to satisfy the equipment or other requirements of a declared Division during a course of fire, the competitor will be placed in Open Division, if available, other-wise the competitor will shoot the match for no score.
  19. Yes, put down the time and score it as shot.
  20. Get the shooter in the starting position and give them make ready. They have 1 step from the make ready position, if they go farther stop them and start over. If they ask to move farther to get a sight picture let them, just don't let them wander around. Anything other than that is just being silly. Once you give the MR command start looking at the gun as the stage has started and you should only be paying attention to it. There are some obvious examples of start positions you don't want to have them MR in. An up-range start with their back against a wall is one that comes to mind. <<It was just out of an abundance of safety, it was fairly large box, and inside the box if a discharge were to happen, it would have been directly into the barrels instead of possibly not. >> Come on we are going to run around shooting guns, trust us to MR in the start position as long as it's downrange. A very big part of being the "best RO you can be" is to stay out of the shooters way, physically and mentally. For no good reason you got in one shooters head. I have had people make ready on shaky bridges and 100 other kind of odd places. Now to the point of nobody else saying anything. When I am getting ready to shoot and an RO is being silly I try not to react as it gets in my way of getting ready to shoot the stage.
  21. http://www.dsperman.com/products/1920OF/1920OF.html If you like a 2011 grip to fill your hand and have an integrated mag well these are amazing. You have to fit it but it is not hard and worth the time. I can get you a weight if you want. I have a set.
  22. Reminds me, if it is really a safety thing then the gun bags all need to be bullet proof , right ? Otherwise seems like the gun bag thing just adds extra elements of hazard to the whole pee pee scenario. the idea behind the bag is that you can't access the trigger. Is it 100%, probably not.
  23. Yep, you dropped it so you already are suspect. Let someone else pick it up and clear it. It is either that or DQ you for dropping it in the first place. (edit)
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