ktm300

Ok brain fart, loaded start without a round in the chamber. Anyway.........

And by the rulebook as written it was a DQ. Glad you were overruled as I and every 1911/2011 shooter has done it on every unloaded start with a magazine inserted.

I never thought about it but the way the rule was a 1911 with a mag inserted and an empty chamber hammer down was a DQ. The gun was by definition loaded and the primary safety was not engaged. Never saw it called but.......

My carry gun is a G19 and I only have 2 mags for it. I have a bunch of G17 mags but they are for my PCC as I don't have a G17. I want to shoot some production with the G19 just to get some more time on the gun. From reading the rulebook as long as the gun and mag fit in the box I am good to go even though the G17 mags stick out of the bottom of the G19 about an inch. Pretty sure I know the answer but..... From APPENDIX D4 21.7 Magazines Prior restrictions on magazines have been lifted. OFM and aftermarket magazines and base-pads may be used. However, any and all magazines used in competition, must fit into the USPSA box while empty and inserted in the handgun as described in item 7 of this appendix. Grip tape and/or skate board tape are specifically allowed on magazines and basepads.

Then the MD needs to deal with it.

You are going to find that this group isn't very sympathetic to people that don't paste and help set stages. We don't get our panties in a wad about some foul language unless it's around kids. We don't have to worry about ESPN anytime soon. Ask the guy nicely to watch his language and start pasting.

I do see your point that you want the best competition in the match as that makes the competition better. I get that you work and put on matches. I get that you are a GM and shoot pretty well. I am not an MD but work a fair number of majors a year. So we are having all this conversation about how many matches a year? We have concluded it's not hard to get into Nationals and if it were there are slots for that. Not all Area matches fill up and there are only 8 Area matches. Can we agree on 5 matches a year we are talking about? On the shooters side, I see the GM count rarely more than 10% of an area match, or nationals. The bulk of all these matches has been B and C shooters, normally more than half of the match. M and A shooters together are normally less than either the B or C count. I think matches sell out faster if it is first come first served as people have to "play the registration game" and pay up front. I have never missed shooting a major I wanted to shoot. If I am working it's simple but if I am not I just "play the registration game". Sponsors tend to buy slots and give them to their shooters I would suggest that is the best way for the top level folks to make sure they get in a match. Their sponsors are getting value from them being there, get their sponsors to put up some $$ and buy a block of slots with their sponsorship dollars. Anyway, I still think we are talking about creating rules to solve a non existent or at very worst small issue.

This! I, a lowly tourist shooter in my late 50's, have been able to walk onto every match I tried to walk on to. There are always a few slots open on match day. If one of the GM's shows up and wants to shoot they are going to get to shoot. Everyone but the top GM's (and a few sandbagging M's) are just tourists when it comes to winning the match. My biggest issue with this is, each area, if it has an issue, can design it's sign up the way it wants. Having USPSA get in the middle and force people to do something is just wrong. Contact your AD, let them know what you want and work it out. Don't force everyone, especially those that don't have a problem filling up their area match, to deal with this.

This sure seems like a solution looking for a problem. As to it not being a burden on match staff, what could be simpler than setting up a match, having it fill up and squad in the first hour or so. Getting the money up front to help fund the match and being done with it. Any other way involves more work and less timely receipt of the money for the match.

The MD would find a slot for the GM 100% of the time so it's a non issue in the first place. Division GM M A B C D U X Total Limited 30 55 45 88 54 14 8 294 Total 30 55 45 88 54 14 8 294 10% GM at a nationals is pretty common. 29% GM and M 30% B. The rest of us already pay for the GM's to play now you want to exclude by class. BS

So a match director who is already working hard to put on a good match has to manage a process of getting entries, then at some defined point deciding who gets to shoot and who gets excluded. Then he has to make sure all the people that got "slots" squad and pay. Then he has to go back again and deal with the people that applied but didn't pay. Then he has to try and fill his match with people he turned down in the first place. Life is too short. I think KISS is the best way to do stuff. If you want to shoot the match find a way to sign up early. If you are a top level pro you can get in the match, just ask the MD as they always have a way to get a few extra people in the match. If you are a wannabe top level guy get in line like the rest of us.

This: (4) First come first serve If you want to shoot the match find a way to sign up on time. Why should the match director not be happy his match is full in the first 15 minutes. If you do anything else it becomes a logistical nightmare.

No

If he did not make you unload and show clear, you were still at make ready and this was a BS DQ.

+1

I just tried an Ed Brown and it won't slide on more than 1/2" Guess the files need to come out.

Not trying to start anything but..... #1 it is a DQ if you lose control of your gun. The reason being is people tend shoot themselves or others when trying to catch a falling gun. Never a good idea to try and catch one on the way down. Here is the definition of a dropped gun and the rule that is used for the DQ when it's dropped. Dropped Gun ...................(during the course of fire) A condition in which a competitor loses control of their handgun. Loss of control does not require the handgun to land on the ground or other range surface or prop. It occurs anytime the handgun is no longer in control of either hand, even if it is trapped against part of the body or caught in midair 10.5.14 Retrieving a dropped handgun: A dropped gun must always be retrieved by a Range Officer who will ensure it is unloaded and properly secured in the competitor's holster or a suitable container. The Range Officer may, at his discretion, secure the gun himself or return it to the competitor who will secure it under supervision of the Range Officer. Dropping an unloaded handgun or causing it to fall outside of a course of fire is not an infraction; however, a competitor who retrieves a dropped handgun will receive a match disqualification.

I like to see both but I do learn more from practice.

No problem 5.1.7 Competitors must use the same handgun and type of sights for all courses of fire in a match. However, in the event that a competitor’s original handgun and/or sights become unserviceable or unsafe during a match, the competitor must, before using a substitute handgun and/or sights, seek permission from the Range Master who may approve the substitution provided he is satisfied: 5.1.7.1 The substitute handgun satisfies the requirements of the relevant Division. 5.1.7.2 In using the substitute handgun the competitor will not gain a competitive advantage. 5.1.7.3 The competitor’s replacement handgun and its appropriate ammunition must be chronographed per Rule 5.6, regardless of whether or not the original handgun was previously tested.

10 with a piece of steel is kind of cruel.

I can't count the times I have been watching and seen people shoot 10 (or 8 in SS Maj) on an unloaded start, reload and not go to slide lock or have to rack the slide. Most of the time the RO isn't paying enough attention and it slides by.

The section on classifications. Don't have a rulebook in front of me but it's just like an entry into a match in a division you are not classified in.

U Unclassified

If I have to make a change that affects the way the gun performs, I just touch base with the RM. Replacing a fiber in the front sight would not be a reason to talk to the RM for example. If you change guns they normally want you to chrono again. I would assume, the slide or barrel would trigger a trip back to chrono as well.

I don't see a ruling on the USPSA site. What was the ruling, or what issue of Front Sight was it in? I agree that it makes little difference in most cases. It just too simple to put in a good start position in the WSB and stop the BS.