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Yes, the gun has adjustable sights. I wondered if the sights could be the problem, but they seem tight when the adjustment screws are turned. The spring tension seems to be OK.

I have a EAA/Tanfoglio pistol in 38 Super, older vintage, the case is green plastic. It looks exactly like the Limited Pro I used to have, except it is blued rather than stainless...same looks, same features, etc. Problem is, it will not group anything I feed it. I've shot this pistol from a rest, with either factory ammo or handloads, and I can't get it to group. At 25 yards, on a 25 yard NRA slowfire target, the shots string from off the target upper left to off the target lower right. It isnt' me or my technique; I shot this test yesterday right alongside shooting my 1911, my XD(M), and three revolvers...I was able to shoot nice groups with all the other guns. Any idea what could be wrong with it, and/or who it could be sent to for evaluation/service? Thanks, John

Correct...in a single-stack I don't think regular (rimmed) 38 Super is much of an issue. But in double-stack mags, as I understand it, there is a definite advantage to the rimless variety (be it supercomp or TJ). I'm certain you can shoot hot loads out of a non-comped gun, although the amount of powder to get a given velocity may well be different from a comped gun as was mentioned above. As was noted above, a hot load for a comped gun may be too much for a non-comped gun...but the hot loads were developed to make major, not just to make a comp work correctly.

Why not just use Super brass in the first place and skip trying to make something work that really isn't intended to be used that way? I don't understand this comment/question? The whole idea behind rimless 38 Super brass is to increase feeding reliability. Why wouldn't I want to do that? Henning goes to great lengths on his site to recommend (at least for the EAA guns) the use of rimless brass for just that reason. You may be right regarding the 1911, though...the guy I bought it from shot factory rimmed 38 Super and factory 9x23 in the respective barrels...that gun's extractor may not work well with the rimless 38 Super. What I'm trying to accomplish is getting the most I can get out of the 38 Super round...most factory loads don't take full advantage of the round's potential, as I'm sure you well know, whether it be for hunting or self-defense. John

Well, you folks are going to laugh at me, but what the hell...it won't be the first time. I'm not loading for an "open pistol" per se, although I think either of these guns could be shot in that division if one wanted to. I have two 38 Supers...one is an Enhanced Colt 1911 with a 5" ported barrel, and the other is a EAA Limited Pro. The Colt also has a 9x23Win barrel for it, and the extractor has been tuned so that it works with 9x23...therefore it seems it should be fine with 38 Supercomp or 38 TJ as well. As I understand it, the EAA pistols come with extractors set up for rimmed 38 Super, and I've looked at Henning's site and understand how to tune the extractor on this gun to work with Supercomp or TJ (on the EAA, I've also replaced the recoil spring guide with Henning's, I've replaced the factory hammer spring with a lightest spring Henning recommends for a DA/SA pistol, and I've got stiffer recoil springs to go in if needed). I'm interested in 38 Super loads for these two guns, using Supercomp or TJ brass for their better mag stack/feeding performance, with the understanding that the EAA may be able to take hotter loads due to the ramped/supported barrel (the Colt has a non-ramped barrel). I want hot loads, but not necessarily loads that push things to the ragged edge of failure. So, with that information, can anyone suggest a place to start? Thanks, John

Can loads listed in the various manuals for 38 Super be safely used with 38 Supercomp or 38 TJ brass? Or, do the latter two cases have a large enough reduction in case capacity that charges need to be reduced? Can anyone recommend a good load for 38 Supercomp or 38 TJ brass? Thanks, John

I've looked at the description on Henning's site regarding tuning the extractor for optimal function with rimless 38 Super rounds, but I'm not clear on exactly what needs to be filed. Is it that the distance from the top of the extractor "knob" to the base of the knob is to be 0.045 inches? Thanks, John

Does anyone know offhand the weight of the spring that is in the 38 Super guns? Henning's site says he recommends ~10 lb Wolff spring for 38 major rounds, but I thought I read somewhere here (but can't find it now) that the stock springs were stiffer than that. Can anyone say for certain? Thanks, John

I looked at Henning's site, under trigger parts, but was uncertain which parts are for SA only vs SA/DA. I'd like to lighten the pull weight, and remove some of the slop (stop the side-to-side wiggle). What parts would I need to accomplish that, and still keep the gun DA/SA? Thanks, John

Has anyone done this? I've heard that some people have shot 9X23 in their 38 Super with just a spring change, but beyond that has anyone actually done the conversion? If so, what did you do for a barrel? Does anyone make barrels for these guns besides Tanfoglio? If not, then which barrel would be best for the conversion? Seems to me the 9X19 barrel is the place to start, since a 38 Super barrel is already too wide at the mouth for the 9X23...maybe if you wanted a gun to shoot both that might be the way to go, but for a dedicated 9X23 seems to me starting with a 9X19 barrel is a better choice (unless someone does make 9x23 barrels). Any thoughts? What else would you need besides a new barrel and a stiffer spring? Thanks, John

The Limited Pro is now legal for Production class.

The Limited Pro is now Production legal...I have an email from DNROI that states so.

I think I already know the answer, but I'd like someone who knows for sure to clarify for me. According to the IDPA rules, no gun can have a "cone barrel", the exception being in ESP class you can have a factory-installed cone barrel if the barrel length is 4.2" or less. Seems straightforward, except that I read somewhere that the original cone barrel ruling was to keep 1911 pistols from being fitted with a barrel that negated the need for the barrel bushing. Since the EAA Witness pistols don't have barrel bushings in any configuration (nor do most other pistols, at least not removable ones like a 1911), does this rule apply to non-1911 pistols in the SSP class? I'm guessing it does, but I've not heard that from anyone for certain. Also, the Stock 2 has a dust cover, which is also a no-no according to IDPA rules....no dust covers of carbon or stainless steel. So, assuming the barrel discussed above was legal, would the Stock 2 still be "out" due to the dust cover? What is it made of, and is it removable or permanent? Thanks again, John

Hi, New guy here, so please bear with me. I've got some questions about the EAA Witness Limited Pro, as it relates to USPSA/IDPA. Here's what I know: the gun is on the IPSC Production list, but not the USPSA list. I've spoken with folks at USPSA/DNROI, and they've suppposedly requested info from Tanfoglio (dimensions, weight (the weight numbers on the EAA website and the Tanfoglio website don't match up), and annual production(apparently USPSA Production has a minimum annual production, whereas IPSC doesn't). So, the gun may at some point make it onto the USPSA Production list, and even if it doesn't you could still shoot it in Limited, right? Now, IDPA is a different animal, or so it seems to me. IDPA has no list, right? Rather, the gun has to meet certain requirements. For SSP, the gun has to fit in a box that measures 8.75" X 6" X 1.625", it must weight no more than 39 oz, and it has to have a minimum annual production of 2000 units...for ESP the dimensions are the same, except the weight limit goes up to 43 oz and the minimum annual production is waived. Have I got that right? So, does anyone know whether or not the Limited Pro will meet the requirements for IDPA? I'm pretty sure it won't meet the 39 oz required for SSP, but will it meet the 43 oz weight and the "box" dimensions for ESP? As I understand it, the gun can be angled in the box, so maybe if it was put in at a slight diagonal it would fit...the gun is only 0.25" too long according to the figures on the EAA site. What do you folks say? Does anyone know the answer for certain? If so, please share...if not, what do you folks think? Thanks, John