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  1. "1st place mere mortal". Lol. Congrats Jeremy!!!
  2. Seems to apply to this thread... Need to settle a dispute on this rule please. Shooter is in the process of reloading and while pulling out the front mag, the lip of the rear reload mag is caught and the rear reload mag falls to the ground. Shooter keep control of the front mag he grapsed. The shooter finishes the reload, picks up the other mag off the ground, then proceeds to finish the COF. Even though the back mag was "dislodged" it was done so during the act of a reload. No..it was not "dropped" by the shooter. PE or not?
  3. Newb to forum. Been shooting USPSA (Production C) and IDPA (SSP SS) since June of last year. Realizing very quickly that the more I know...the less I really know. Good stuff in here. Looking forward to visiting a lot.
  4. Can anyone think of any Limited Vickers COF that the shooter wouldn't receive a PE for shooting less shots? I can't.
  5. I'm a fairly new SO - I wouldn't have called it had it not been pointed out by another shooter who regularly shoots IPSC. The other SO with me - who's been doing it longer than me, also noticed the 1 less shot, but wasn't going to call anything other than the -5 until it was brought up for discussion. So, not arguing..just trying to learn. So, whether it's limited or not, if I see someone fail to engage a target on a COF, or only throw one round at it instead of two - it should be the points down, a potential FTN (on the failure to engage) and a PE. Right?
  6. I see both points. Here's some more thoughts... If it were a Vickers count stage - if that target was only shot at once in the tactical sequence - I don't think it even becomes an issue. You are already being penalized by the -5 you'll take for not throwing a round at it. In other words, throw as many as you want at it to better your score - but throw less and you're already hurting yourself. I've seen this happen a bunch while folks are shooting a tactical sequence in regular Vickers count and have never seen a PE on it before. I've only seen the points down scoring for the shot not taken in the sequence. I've seen folks completely fail to engage a target in a Vickers COF, and they were given a -5, -5, and FTN, but not all of these plus a PE. So now on to the definition of Limited Vickers - "Same as Vickers Count described above EXCEPT the number of shots you can fire on any string is limited to the number specified in the course description. Any extra shots will incur a procedural penalty of three (3) seconds per string and one of your highest scoring hits will be deducted from your point score for each extra shot fired...." It would seem the intent of a Limited Vickers count stage is to "limit" shots and so "extra" shots are penalized. There isn't anything specific that I can find in the rulebook to show there is a penalty for taking "less" shots unless it is done trying to circumvent the COF, and in that case, it would be a FTDR. If less shots on Limited Vickers are to be penalized, then perhaps the name should be changed to "Exact" Vickers count?
  7. Rule question: Non-sanctioned match. 4 paper. COF as Limited Vickers, Engage 4 targets in tactical sequence, strong hand only, then tac-load or reload w/retention, then engage each with one shot to the head, weak hand only. Shooter shot the complete COF, but failed to shoot twice at the fourth target during the strong hand tact sequence. Of course, received 5 points down for no hit on target, but also a procedural for not shooting the correct number of shots or not engaging that target with the correct amount of shots. My thought is that limited vickers is designed to "limit" the amount of shots, but I didn't think that if you came up a shot short - even after engaging that target with at least one shot - it would result in a procedural. Opinions? Thanks.
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