mikeg1005

That may be true but its not a reason to intentionally kill a division. You will see a large number of guys converting their 40 cals over to LO guns because the 2-3 extra rounds that you get in 9mm in a 142mm mag won't be the end of the world until they get new guns all together.

Who cares? This is a competitive shooting sport, let people decide what they want to shoot.

We already have a division with limited guns and dots. Its called open. Limited is the 2nd or very narrowly 3rd most active division in USPSA year to year. Leave it alone.

This is stupid. Just allow 2011s and whatever other gun people want to throw a dot on in Carry Optics. The perceived advantage of a SA trigger is a bulls#!t reason to create a new division which will result it further killing open and poaching people from limited.

All 2011s that are built with similar configurations will shoot very very similar to each other to the point where it will probably not matter which name is written on the slide. The biggest factor as to how the gun will shoot is recoil spring and main spring weights. Those change recoil impulse and how the sights track more than anything. The nemesis is a sight block gun. It'll shoot similar to guns that have sight blocks or an island barrel. If you get a 2011, get a steel grip, whose make, doesn't matter they're all good and they all break. Each has slight variation in how they feel but I wouldn't stress to much about this you'll eventually get accustom to whichever one. After shooting 2011s for a while, here's what I think is most important when shopping for them. -Company or builder with good service so when it breaks (they all do with enough rounds) they'll help you get the gun up with a short turn around time. -Has the parts on it that YOU like and not that the builder chooses. -Doesn't have any proprietary stuff on it that you can't buy replacement parts for quickly (oddball sight dovetail cut, etc.) -Has a steel grip. The rest is fluff... you'll end up shooting the same ability with all the guns once you're used to 'your' gun.

I love when B class shooters talk like this LOLOLOLOLOL

You really need to lose this attitude ASAP. You either DQ someone because they clearly broke the rules or you don't because they didn't... no "I think" or "I could have". Don't let new shooters slide on arguably the most important safety rule. That's how people get killed.

Illinois is not like NY, I am not aware of anyone that has ever had any issues with anything. You can bring your PCC if you want you will be fine. You will have 0 issues with mag limits. The city had to remove its firearm registration so there is no way for anyone to know what you actually own. There is 0 enforcement of anything. Chicago PD doesn't have radar unless you're driving on Lake Shore Drive so you will don't have to worry about speeding. You do not need a FOID card as you are not an IL resident. If you're traveling just have your gun unloaded in a case (glove box counts). You can't 'technically' have a loaded gun in a car unless you have a carry permit. I say technically because there is some stipulation in some clause that suggests you can. IL doesn't recognize anyone else's carry permit. Depending on where you are in the city... I'd recommend North Porter County Conservation Club (Chesterton, IN) who shoots 1st Sunday of the month. Oak Park Sportsman's Club in Plainfield, IL who shoots 2nd Sunday of the month. If you're willing to drive (I'd recommend it) Northern Illinois Shooting Association (NISA) shoots 4th Sunday of the month at Schultz's rod and gun in Muskego, WI.

My advice is to skip the camera/system that shows you where you are hitting. This is useless without recoil in my honest opinion and you're better off working on that part at the range with actual ammo. For timing your draw, get a shot timer and use the part time feature on it. You'll need the timer for live fire anyways. I would not worry too much about the actual trigger pull in dry fire, rack the slide each time off the draw then simulate pulling the trigger, on the dead trigger. This is sufficient for dry fire. The key as always is to break the live hammer shot as well as the simulated trigger pulls without disturbing the sights. This means you can't lie to yourself as you don't have an actual bullet to confirm your hit, make sure you're actually pulling the trigger correctly. Your main goal for dryfire should really be to work on everything but the actual shot itself... draw, transitions onto open/partial targets, basic movements, etc. As far as dry fire material. If you want a book that is geared towards raising your classification, get the Steve Anderson book. If you want a book that is more geared towards overall match performance(which results in better classification) get Stoeger's book. I don't know how his new one(s?) are but the ones that were around in the 2014ish is what I have and they're great guides for drills to work. I have both is live and dry fire book and use the live fire one as a basis for my practices still today.

You could start on the hood of any car but general idea was shoot it from the back forward. Its Area 3, most stages are boring once you remove the gimmicks/props.

A3 this weekend. The red lines are fault lines 'on' the golf cart, 3 sided as to suggest that its an extension of the fault lines on the ground and not a shooting box. You have to get on to lean over and shoot the target as shown. What rule would constitute that I have to stay within those fault lines seeing as the whole golf cart touches the fault lines. More specifically...would I get a penalty if say I wanted to stand in the bed and shoot said target. I am not aware of any issues, RO staff didn't penalize anyone on our squad, just A3 f*#kery that pushes the envelope of the rules.

Please have nationals again, please have nationals again. Please?

I have 3 that says they're not.

You can do that right now, in open. Nothing is stopping you.

... no they aren't. LOL.

Open division and PCC covers your first paragraph. Minor is not competitive in limited compared to major, the 2-3 round advantage is not worth minor scoring. With 20-22+1 off the start you will ALWAYS find a place to do 1 if not 2 reloads. You are the only person I've ever heard of suggesting we should have a limited minor division... so I can see how USPSA would not entertain such a concept.

Ok? And who care? Limited is the biggest division in USPSA (or at least was last year or so). Why are we attempting to cater to people with minor guns? If one cannot be bothered to buy competitive equipment for a division then why does EVERYONE who chose to do this have to now suffer and adjust what they're running?

1. Tactical people and general gun enthusiasts. 2. HQ in effort to make a place for people to shoot 'competitively' with non competitive gear, in effort to bring in more money to HQ.

No one shoots minor in Open or L10, no one shoots major in Revo. Please address those issues before messing with the biggest (maybe 2nd now?) division in USPSA.

Shoot it the same way you shoot carry optics EXCEPT... reload every time you move (unless you can get in 2 positions without risking of running dry). Never make up any HITS if it will force you to go to slide lock/standing reload. Don't go as aggressive on 8/8 arrays as you have no make up shots. If you have the ability to break up difficult arrays (long partials, lot of steel, etc.) it 4 or 6 shot arrays it be a good approach... hedging more aggressive shooting/losing some stage time vs. having a standing reload(s).

This was part of the PASA park thought process for running their matches... I personally believe it was because Dick^2 were both very much anti minor/1911s should be 45acp mindsets.

Have no fear... the PASA crew burned every bridge known with USPSA. I doubt they'll ever have anything there after the s#!tshow that was the 2017 SSN/SSC.

Using the Single Stack Classic/Nationals at PASA in any way shape or form to justify stage design is archaic and terrible. That match prided itself on making minor a disadvantage and never requiring more than 3 mags to shoot CoF (the reason why long course were 24rds). Also, to suggest that there were any 'options' at any of those matches besides the last time it was a nationals is comical.

Major vs. Minor has almost nothing to do with difficulty of shooting the gun. Ask anyone who shoots SS, its all about stage plan/benefit of extra rounds. There is 0 advantage to having 2-3 extra rounds of 9mm vs. having minor scoring handicap in Limited. No one shoots minor at the top (except Nils last year but I am like 95% sure its because his gun isn't made in major). Can we please stop discussing changing the only division that make sense (outside of open) with arbitrary s#!t? LOL.

That's because you haven't shot a club match in 3 years...