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WHAT'S ALL THIS, THEN...?
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Co.....Col....Wut??...Colle....Collective..............Hey! Look, a squirrel!!!!! ericm
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...because prime rail estate is always desirable and is guaranteed to appreciate. ericm
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United Multi-Gun League?
ericm replied to timawa's topic in Multi-gun Rules / Stage Design / Match Administration
90 shooters / 5 stages = 18 shooters per squad 5 stages in 4 hours = 48 minutes per stage 48 minutes per stage / 18 shooters = 2 minutes 40 seconds per shooter NONSTOP for 4 hours. It took me longer than 2:40 to type this.... Hyperbole will not sell this UML that you speak of... mi dos centavos ericm -
I believe your statement actually supports the 1 on / 1 off argument more than it supports the half day argument. You attribute Ft. Benning's success to " lots of voluntolds helping reset...". If Ft. Benning DID NOT have the help resetting that you mention, how much time would it take an 11 man squad to shoot a stage with everyone on the squad working? I'm guessing just over an hour. Do you want to shoot your 4 stages per day back to back with no break and no time to reconfigure gear, get ammo or a drink from the car??? (and I mean, the MOMENT your squad is done with a stage, the next stage is calling everyone for the stage briefing & walkthrough while they finish shooting the last couple of shooters from the previous squad - TIME IS TIGHT! GO GO GO!) Or, do you want to shoot your 4 stages using 1 on / 1 off and still be finished around the 2:30 - 3:30 mark, and have time between stages to reconfigure, etc. I know what I would choose. ericm
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Let's try attaching this .pdf. This is an example of scheduling an 8 stage two day three gun match, one on / one off format. Note how the match is finished at 1:30 PM on Sunday. 1/2 of the match has an "early" start of 7:00 AM on one day and a "late" start of 8:00 AM on one day. MD's: this is easy to do in excel or other spreadsheet and you can play around with scheduling all you want. ericm 8 STAGE FD FORMAT.pdf
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Another "hybrid" option: Let those who absolutely cannot or do not wish to attend the full match shoot the entire match on say Wednesday and Thursday (or just Thursday if the match allows) with the RO's and then have what I consider and have considered historically the main match be a regular full day one on - one off format for Friday - Sunday (probably ending around 1 PM Sunday). I believe SMM3G has used this type of scheduling to allow for a huge match, giving vendors and sponsors and others the chance to shoot the match at the same time as the RO's when the main match is full. My attempt at a "reductio ad absurdum" argument bringing up the postal match format was apparently embraced by at least one person. ....keep it going.... ericm
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I suppose if you actually wanted minimal time spent at 3 gun matches, eliminating most travel and expenses, and giving all shooters as much "down time" as possible, you could organize and administer what they used to call postal matches. Match director would send out detailed drawings of the stages, you would replicate those stages at your local club, shoot them for score, send those scores to the match director who would tally the results and declare the winners. I wonder how many sponsors would be in on something like this??? After all, we live in a digital world now.... ericm
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Nope. You've got the full day squads still shooting stages back to back with no break except at lunch and then back to back after lunch. AND...It would be a one day match for the full day shooters, that disconnect factor again....Saturday's full day folks would still have to come back Sunday evening for awards and prize table. And again, talking about 3 gun here, 3 times the gear, reconfigure between stages, to have any rest and refit at all would again require you to walk away from your squad. As the British Sailors used to say: " one hand for the ship, one hand for you." ericm
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My match example above (way above, now....) could be hybrid-ized quite easily. 1/2 day format for the first day (5 stages back to back) and then one on-one off for the next day until finish @ 1:30 PM. I suppose 1/2 of the shooters could do 1/2 day format while the other 1/2 of shooters do whole day - one on-off, but that would be some interesting scheduling.... .....probably could be worked out with enough thought......similar to me attempting a poll ericm
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An example might help to visualize the difference between what I call full day format vs. 1/2 day format. 3 gun match, 2 days, 8 stages, 160 competitors, 16 squads, one hour per squad per stage. 1/2 day format: AM squads (1-8) shoot 4 stages back to back 8 AM to 12 NOON. AM squads are done and may leave. Lunch from 12 NOON until 1 PM. PM squads (9-16) arrive at the range and shoot 4 stages back to back 1 PM to 5 PM. Reverse this schedule for the next day (1-8 start PM and 9-16 start AM). Full day format: Squads 1-8 shoot 8 AM - 9AM, Squads 9-16 shoot 9 AM -10 AM and so on alternating until 5 PM. Everyone shoots 4 stages - one on - one off. Reverse this schedule for the next day (1-8 start 9 AM and 9-16 start 8 AM). Here's where it gets interesting: Let's stretch the start time back to 7 AM and only take 1/2 hour for lunch (basically RO lunch) and stretch stop time to 5:30 PM for the first day. For either format, match is DONE by 1:30 PM on the second day. 1/2 day format: everyone has to shoot 5 stages back to back, either AM or PM. The next day everyone shoots 3 stages back to back reversing AM and PM (PM start is 10 AM really). Match is done by 1:30 PM. Full day format: everyone has to shoot 5 stages over the course of the day. The next day everyone shoots 3 stages one on - one off ( squads 9-16 start at 7 AM, 1-8 start 8 AM). Match is done by 1:30 PM. The question becomes (and my complaint is) do you shoot stages back to back with no time in between, or do you shoot all day in a (IMHO - very much relaxed) schedule of one on - one off. ...keep it going... ericm
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I would be interested in this match!!! I just attended the Red Oktober Kalashnikov match; what great weather down there, great venue of square berms and natural terrain and not too far for me. The one caveat that I would have (and I talked to Brian N. several times about this at the ROK match) is if the match will be a full day format (one on - one off) or 1/2 day format....I VOTE FOR FULL DAY FORMAT!!!!.....either way that random prize table ain't gonna start 'till 5 PM Sunday night at the earliest ericm
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Not to belabor the obvious, but you both do know I am talking about "whole day" matches as those that shoot one stage and then take one stage time allotment off....at no time do we shoot "12 stages in one day".....4 -5 stages in a day - one on, one off. Also, I am talking major 3 gun matches here, not pistol sectionals. Half day format matches mean awards ceremonies that start about 5 PM or so on Sunday EVENING in my experience. If you do go home "after lunch" on Sunday - no awards or prize table for you. I find it interesting that some feel that 1/2 day non-stop is "energetic" but a whole day of one on - one off is draining....the amount of shooting is the same. Keep it going..... ericm
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I guess I've shot enough matches now using both full day and 1/2 day formats to express an opinion. From a competitor's standpoint: 1/2 day format matches plain suck for me as a competitor. I've never felt so rushed and yet so disconnected from a match using 1/2 day format. The ones that I have gone to feel the need to have an AM start and then a PM start (or vice versa) for scheduling. That is exactly one whole day that you are not competing. I don't travel to remote ranges at matches to "see the sights", go "antique-ing" or catch up on all the TV sports. I go to shoot matches and be at the range. 4 or 5 stages in a row might be some's cup o' tea, but not mine. No (ZERO) chances of getting a drink from the car, getting extra ammo, loading mags, etc. if you are honestly working to reset for the whole squad. The only way to rest and reset is to walk away from your squad while others are shooting. Whole day format allows 1 stage on, 1 stage off (with lunch) scheduling, time to rest, reset, ammo up and plan the next stage. Why 1/2 day format is BAD from a MD perspective: 1/2 day formats completely screw any food vendors or display, ammo or shooting vendors. Why? Because only 1/2 of the match shooters are present at any one time and they are otherwise engaged blasting through 4 -5 stages non-stop. No time to look at any displays. Food vendors are doubly screwed in that, if you are an AM start, you've eaten breakfast before coming to the range, shoot until 12 to 1 PM and then want to clean up and sit in a restaurant, not eat at the range. If you are a PM start, the last thing you are thinking about is getting to the range early so you can eat. I've actually seen vendors pack up and leave in the early PM because no one is around. I've been to both all-day and 1/2 day matches at the SAME RANGE and have not seen any parking problems attributable to one schedule or the other. WHOLE DAY IS A GOOD DAY: Arrive at either a early (7 AM or so) or "late" (9AM or so) start, grab that breakfast burrito or juice, shoot 2 or 3 stages before lunch (one on, one off format) have lunch, possibly talk to and BS with the ENTIRE complement of competitors instead of 1/2 the field, shoot 3 or 2 stages in the PM, repeat the next day for as long as required. This format is not any "harder" on the match staff (conversely, 1/2 day format is not any easier on match staff)...same same. FINAL POINTS: RO's are not saved any "work" by using 1/2 day format, the competitor count is the same. I've seen that squads are more relaxed and more willing to reset until finished knowing that they have a break after the stage (using whole day format). Mi dos centavos.... Discuss... ericm