narwhal
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Exactly....I think as long as you accept the pistol's limitations you can do great things with it. You aren't going to have the fastest split times or the most a's on 25+ yard targets compared to an equally skilled cz/tanfo shooter. I feel like the light guns do draw/point a bit faster though, and it's second only to glock in terms of holster/sight/accessory choices. I do enjoy the reliability of the M&P too, and can get away with rarely cleaning them. The most fun competitive shooting I've had so far is shooting an m&p compact for a few months in IDPA ccp with .40 minor bunny farts, managed to classify expert with it (I know, I know, IDPA).
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It just depends on what you want to do in my opinion. If you want to win at all costs you should probably go with the metal gun. It seems pretty obvious at this point that CZs and tanfos are better for USPSA production, but depending on how good you are it probably won't make that much of a difference vs shooting a long slide glock or M&P. Just look at David Sevigny and Robert Vogel, two of the best shooters in the country. They've won a lot of stuff using glocks, and the m&p is more or less the same thing (I know people will step in and blast me for saying that).
It'll probably take a little more work to be as good with an M&P as you would've been with CZ or tanfo, even with learning the first shot DA pull on the DA/SA guns. If you just enjoy m&p's for some reason, I'd say shoot those. If you've shot 2011's you probably know what you prefer. I have very little experience with the DA/SA guns, but they seem basically like lighter, less tricked out 2011's after the first shot.
Me, I've accepted that B class will probably be my ceiling, I have a bunch of M&P's and the tools/gear for them, so I'll stick with them. Shooting in USPSA with them is kind of like taking a ford taurus to the drag strip, but sometimes that can still be fun. As the old cliche goes, it's the indian not the arrow though. I think you could be very competitive with either in local matches with enough dedication.
I don't think you'd even be asking this unless you enjoy M&P's, or you have one as an EDC or something. If so I say just shoot it for fun in production. If you wanna game hard just shoot the 2011.
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No, I haven't seen a 2.0 core yet on their website yet either.
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Anyone found the 2.0 5" 9mm pro (11820) in stock online?
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Hello,
I recently moved to Alaska and picked up a S&W 629 w/ 5" barrel full lug. There is a local club and I am wondering if I can shoot this gun in USPSA? I am not great at competitive shooting and have done 3 or 4 USPSA matches with production semi autos (years ago) and a few dozen IDPA matches w/ SSP semi autos. I have never shot revolver competitively.
I am wondering if I can shoot the 629 in revolver major with .44 specials (I think I can judging by ammo power factor calculations and my limited understanding of the rules). I have a safariland OWB holster for it, 5 HKS speedloaders, and 5 kydex speedloader pouches. This gives me 36 rounds, and from looking at my local club's recent stages, I will need all 5 reloads pretty regularly.
Can anyone with a better grasp of the rules tell me if I can shoot this. I fully expect to be the slowest shooter but I am working on my dry fire and reloads with Steve Anderson's book. I know it's not a gamer gun at all but I just wanted to use USPSA to help gain proficiency and have some fun since it is my trail gun.
I also have a 327 8 shot but it had to be left in the L48 for now, might have it shipped to me later. It's probably a better option overall to just shoot minor with that, luckily all the gear is cross-compatible.
Thanks in advance.
-Narwhal
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I was curious about the 2.0 since I mainly shoot a 2.0 9mm full size now. Thanks!
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I have read that the M&P full size 4.25" barrel can fit in the IDPA CCP box. The main issue would be the height dimension, which is limited to 5.375" for the box. S&W specs the M&P full at 5.5" height. Obviously since it is smaller than the other specs like length I imagine it could tilt a little bit to fit, but I'm not sure. Has anyone tried fitting it in a CCP box? I also read that people have used 10 round magazines and shaved down the baseplates to make it fit (I don't have any 10 round mags but I assume they are used because the bottom of the full sized's 10 round mags doesn't actually touch the mag spring and can be shaved without consequence). Would shaving down the takedown tool's base also be necessary?
Sorry, I suck and can't hack it in SSP so I need to shoot a full sized gun in the mouse gun division
. Just don't want to get a FTDR or w/e if I shot the gun in the wrong division.
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Got the new followers from brownells today and they seemed to have solved the problem.
The geometry of that lip on the front-top-left of the new ones is significantly different - it seems to extend much less high, so it seems like it has a lot less chance of sliding past the slide stop. Thanks for the tip.
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Hi,
a quick question:
I have an M&P 40 compact that I like to shoot in IDPA CCP. .40 minor was getting a bit expensive so I bought a 9mm conversion barrel and some 9mm compact magazines.
To my disappointment, I find that 9mm magazines only drop free from slide lock about half the time in this gun. What's happening is, the notch on the slide stop that gets lifted up by the magazine follower isn't always getting completely lifted up after the last round, instead the follower is slipping past it, creating a situation where the follower is wedged against the slide stop, which results in enough friction to prevent a clean drop.
Is there any workaround? All 5 of my 9mm compact magazaines do it, but not all the time. For some reason it runs flawlessly w/ .40 mags and with .40 in general. For some reason full sized 9mm magazines do drop free, but they're too big to use in competition.
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Asking for a friend -
Let's say during the course of a match someone is walking around with an otherwise clear weapon except they have an empty magazine inserted - either due to an R.O. oversight after shooting a stage or because the shooter inserted one for some reason between stages.
Is this a DQ for the shooter?
Thanks.
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7 hours ago, Tarkeg said:
My rule of thumb for extraction with M&P's. Run them as much as you have, and if they don't exhibit any problems they're good to go. If they do what you're describing, I drop in an Apex extractor and the problem goes away. Usually forever.
I haven't been able to get a definite answer on whether or not the Apex F.ailure R.esistant E.xtractor is compatible with the 2.0. Apex doesn't list it under "2.0" items on its website, so I'm guessing not.
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1 hour ago, Hi-Power Jack said:
Possibly a dirty extractor/groove channel. Not uncommon to need
to clean them around the 2500 round mark.
Just pop the extractor out, clean it and the channel it fits into,
and see if that helps.
Yeah, that was the first thing I did. I removed the extractor and deep cleaned it 3 times but it had no effect on the frequency of failure to extract malfunctions. I normally clean the extractor claw w/o removing it during routine cleanings as well.
Removed it, soaked it in powder solvent for a few hours, scrubbed it with a brass brush, finished it off with q-tips/pipe cleaners, made sure it was dry and carbon free then put it back together. I also cleaned the extractor channel on the slide thoroughly each time and even removed the striker/cleaned the striker channel. Nothing helped.
Shot a regional level match with it, starting clean as a whistle and it did it again about 120 rounds in (7th malfunction in 1300 rounds despite 3 extractor cleanings over that period), which was the last straw before I sent it back.
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My 2.0 started failing to extract. It did it 7 times between 2k & 3,200 rounds fired, about once every 150 rounds. Factory ammo; HST, Speer lawman, Win White Box, Atlanta Arms, etc. I sent it back and will see if they can fix it. Just thought I'd share. A few other people on other sites having the same type of problem. Mine is a 4.25 2.0 9mm with no external safeties.
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With the new 2017 rules, has it changed to where if you classify in CCP you could shoot a sanctioned match in SSP? The match admin guide still says you need a current classification in your division, but the rulebook says your semi auto classification applies to all semi auto divisions.
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Most standards stages now seem to require concealment anyway, so I probably won't bother. Today the club had a straight 10 yard el pres for the standards stage, concealment required. I don't see how it's more gamey to use a concealed carry FBI cant IWB holster under a regular shirt for the stages where conealment is required than was if I just wore the fishing vest and an OWB straight drop gamer rig the whole time. I would probably just ask the match director beforehand if I were going to do it, which I don't plan to now based on this discussion.
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5 hours ago, MemphisMechanic said:
4 inches at 25yd isn't great at all, but it's better than the old guns were.
Yeah, and if I'm shooting slightly worse with an HK than I am with the m&p 2.0, I won't complain about accuracy.. Mechanically, the gun is probably doing at least 25℅ better than that, since I suck. I think Randy said most hks are mechanically capable of 2" at 25.
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Question: Are the classifiers supposed to be run with the new -1 head targets with the 4" down 0 circle right now? I thought the targets didn't go into effect until November.
I missed expert by 0.73 seconds a few weeks ago shooting CCP, in part because I had two down 1's on the headshots......not a big deal just curious. The match director had made 4" circles on the heads by pressing them somehow with a 4" circular piece of metal or something.
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Hello,
A quick question that I couldn't find addressed in the rule book. Is it legal to change holsters within a match assuming they're both IDPA legal?
Reason I ask is I like to shoot normal stages that require concealment from the IWB holster I EDC the pistol with. However on standards stages where there is no concealment required I'd like to switch to an IDPA legal OWB holster. Would this be allowed or not assuming I went to a safe table and followed all safety procedures for changing the equipment?
Thanks.
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I picked up a 4.25" barreled full size 9 which I plan to shoot in IDPA. I've put 905 rounds through it so far with no malfunctions. In testing for accuracy at 25 yards it was slightly more accurate than my HK P30L, by about 10% or so (averaging 3.3" groups at 25 yd with 147 gr +p HST). It was also grouping under 4" consistently with blazer brass 124 gr. Safe to say there is no accuracy issue with the 9mm, at least with the pistol I purchased. I will do some 50 yard testing with it later.
I have yet to experience any auto-forwarding on the reloads with the 2.0. The slide stop on the left side of the gun (for right handed shooting) is easy to manipulate. The slide release on the right side (for left handers) is about impossible to drop the slide with. Luckily I am right handed. My wife might have to stick with the 1.0 since she's a lefty though. I'll be selling my older M&P's if I can find anyone willing to give me a fair price for them and upgrading to the 2.0's as they make more models; not interested in a 5" until they make them without the thumb safety.
I do like the aggressive stippling. It makes a consistent grip easier to maintain on the draw and through recoil, although the tighter you squeeze, the more it hurts.
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Thanks, I was just asking if it is outside the realm of what considered normal to have to drift the sights that much, and if it might be indicative of some kind of problem. Sounds like it isn't, so it should be ok.
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Got a new barrel for my 40 compact, a KKM 40-9 conversion barrel to shoot in IDPA CCP division.
I shot groups with it at 25 yards to test function. While groups were OK( < 5" 10 shot groups) they were consistently centered about 5" to the right of the bullseye.
I drifted the rear sight to the left about .07" with my sight pusher. My concern is that it makes the rear sight look pretty off center although it's still within the dovetail and doesn't protrude off the side of the slide or anything. I can just start to see the very slight edge of the striker block hole visible on the right side of the rear sight but it's definitely in no danger of popping out.
Is this an acceptable situation? Could the slide to barrel fit with the new barrel just be that much different than the factory barrel? Function was fine in the first 50 rounds.http://i973.photobucket.com/albums/ae219/randomperson8008/IMG_20170219_070359.jpg
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This is what Randy Lee of apex said in another thread on this forum, and he of all people would know (he probably knows more about the M&P than S&W themselves, haha). This was in response to someone asking if apex barrels fit the 2.0 but he mentions the changes from the 1.0 to 2.0 design.
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Hi Quirk,
The barrels will fit, however they did change some of the slide dimensions so some additional fitting may be required.
If you look at the interior side walls of the slide where the ejection port is, you will see an appreciable step in the machining closer to the breech face. Our barrels run .600" nominally when you measure the width of the barrel's chamber area. With a tolerance of .003+/- that means our barrel will range between .597 and .603 wide in that area.
The M2.0 tightened up the spec where you see the step, so that .600 is the max width allowable. This means that you might have to sand or polish down the sides of our barrel by 0.002 on each side in order th let the barrel slip past the step.
The factory tightened up this spec to increase torque stabilization of their barrel, which helps improve consistency shot to shot thereby improving accuracy.
While there may be a bit more fitting required for our barrel in the 2.0, the tightening of the factory specs helps ensure that our barrel locks up consistently in the slide across their slide dimensional tolerance spectrum.
If you compare a 2.0 barrel and a 1.0 barrel there are some geometric differences to the barrel.
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I've only been shooting BUG or CCP depending on which one my carry gun is legal for in any given year. Out of a typical field of about 3 dozen shooters we might get 3-4 CCP shooters. Still mostly SSP and ESP. I just compare scores with the CDP and SSP guys to see how I'm faring, and in the case of SSP subtract 10 seconds or so from my score over the course of a match to account for the extra reloads.
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I don't mind the new rules, been shooting idpa on and off since 2010 or so. Granted I'm a low skill high SS. I like the fault lines. The scoring doesn't seem to have much effect on who is winning matches, at least at the clubs I've shot at.
. Just don't want to get a FTDR or w/e if I shot the gun in the wrong division.
M&P 2.0 slide lock lever fracture
in S&W (M&P, etc)
Posted · Edited by narwhal
Yep. It happened on both a "1.0" .40SW pro 5" and a "1.0" .40SW compact for me. Sad if they haven't fixed it with the 2.0. I doubt they will charge you anything to repair it. They sent me shipping labels and replaced them free of charge. Annoying to have the guns gone for a month, but oh well. I would estimate that it happens around the 10000 round mark. I'm not sure if using the slide release function at the end of reloads or the force of stopping the slide for last round hold open that causes them to break.
I would be interested to know if the ones that are breaking are other .40's or 9's. Maybe it is part of the reason they went to the weaker green recoil spring on 9mm's after a period of time?